JACQUELINE LAURITA: Tape Recordings, Depositions, Attorneys… and Jax’ “CrazyDefense”

October 27, 2012

Jax Laurita mentioned her taped phone recordings in her BravoBlog.  Not surprising, as  attorney’s in the Signature Apparel case have also mentioned “secret” tape recordings… and they’re having a contest to see who can piss off Judge Peck the most!

From the letters to Judge Peck, the attorneys representing the Lauritas told opposing counsel that they were taping their conversation… 30 minutes AFTER the conversation took place.

In letters to the Judge, counsel  was offended and told the Judge that it was highly unethical of the opposing attorneys to tape the conversation.  Laurita attorneys also submitted a letter to the Judge stating that they had a right to record the conversation and that it was not unethical.

The Laurita attorney also mentioned that they no longer have that recording.

                    “Just tell the Judge I’m filming… we gotta get Jax’ crazy behavior on TV.”

On to depositions…

Chris and his brother, Joseph Laurita have started their depositions; however, the attorneys have run into difficulty in re-scheduling Chris and Joseph.  The Lauritas are now scheduled to continue their depositions November 19 (Joseph) and December 4 (Chris).

Joseph Laurita’s wife, Adeline, is scheduled for November 16; Jax Laurita is scheduled to be deposed on November 13.

With all the delays and “underhanded” dealings going on with this case, don’t expect the actual trial to take place until Summer 2013…. and that date is an optimistic one, if there are no further delays or motions.  However, from past history with this case, expect a trial date in 2015!

On to Jax’ delay or excuse from being deposed…

There have been theories about Jax floating around since the Signature Apparel bankruptcy was mentioned back in November 2011.  Theories for reasons which Jax could make herself seem unable to answer questions in a deposition or to proceed with a trial.

       “I can’t decide…”

One of the most popular theories is that Jax is setting herself up as a drunken crazy person who has to take care of a special needs child.  Well, which one is it?  Jax can’t have both!  If she wants to prove herself as someone who cannot answer attorney’s questions because of mental and substance problems, then how in the world can she care for a little special needs child?  Or write about her “journey” for Parenting Magazine?

IF Jax is forever tweeting and displaying nutty behaviors in the hopes that she’ll be excused from any court procedures, she should take a look at how Vincent (The Chin) Gigante did it!

                                                                                             “The Chin”… going to court in his robe

FromWhatNewYork:

Vicenzo Chin Gigante became a capo in the 60s, a consegliere in the 70s and a wiseguy in the 80s. When his boss Anthony Salerno died, he became the boss of the Genovese family.

His strategy to run the clan was astutely simple — he pretended to be stupid. The police refused to believe that that king-sized moron had the capacity to run a mafia family and spent the better part of their time looking for the real boss. Between 1969 and 1990, Chin Gigante was admitted to 22 mental hospitals, took gargantuan amounts of Valium, Thorazine and Dalmare, and was often seen walking around Mulberry street in his pajamas, his bathrobe and his slippers.

From NYTimes1996:

A Federal judge ruled yesterday that Vincent Gigante, a reputed Mafia boss known for walking Manhattan streets in a bathrobe and pajamas, was putting on a “crazy act” until at least 1991 to avoid arrest and prosecution.

But the judge put off a decision on whether Mr. Gigante, 67, was now mentally incompetent to stand trial on murder and racketeering charges. Prosecutors contend that far from being crazy, Mr. Gigante heads the Genovese crime family, which has become the nation’s most powerful Mafia organization.

The judge, Eugene H. Nickerson of Federal District Court in Brooklyn, asked four psychiatrists who in recent years had found Mr. Gigante not competent to stand trial — on the ground that he could not understand the proceedings or assist in his defense — to review their assessment.

But while the ruling yesterday was not a final decision — that will come after the psychiatrists’ reassessments — it suggested that Judge Nickerson was leaning toward finding Mr. Gigante fit to stand trial.

Also see NYTimesMarch21, 2002

If “TheChin” couldn’t get away with the crazy act, how the hell does JaxLaurita think she’s going to do it?

JaxLaurita explaining her bankruptcy… Note to Jax:  no one thinks you’re in a PERSONAL bankruptcy…

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217 Responses to JACQUELINE LAURITA: Tape Recordings, Depositions, Attorneys… and Jax’ “CrazyDefense”

  1. Hers says:

    Thanks, SH. Will be interested to hear how the Lauritas’ sleazebag lawyers handle this. You know they can only put off the depos for so long.

    • Buck Henry says:

      In regard to her trying to seem unstable and “crazy” her husband want that for other reasons than what she thinks she know. If she is to be portrayed as crazy then she can’t take care of her son or kids at all and may never be able to be around them. Then Chris can get a divorce (remember the issue about her catching him cheating and he can’t be anywhere without her) and Caroline will help to raise the kids. What happened is that Chris didn’t take into account that the stripper/escort that he got pregnant was unstable.

      • pjbottoms says:

        That’s what I was thinking Buck Henry, that the so called “Diminished Capacity” excuse for Jax to be dropped from the lawsuit is a double edged sword. she might not go to jail, but she might be found unfit to raise her son. Yeah Caro would love to have 2 more boys to raise!

    • Buck Henry says:

      Oh I forgot, they are playing the delay delay game because they are afraid of going into that deposition and lying. They know that the federal trustee is doing information gathering and once he has them in the deposition they won’t know what he knows and they will either have to lie (and still won’t save them) or tell the truth and still get in trouble. He has the goods on them and they are trying to delay and delay and delay in order to get some type of deal where they can pay the creditors without any issue of bankruptcy fraud (won’t happen). Also to not have it aired on the show.

      Chris and Jax and the rest of that family have serious problems, serious problems. And let me tell you one thing, that 55 million and change that was taken out of the company wasn’t just shared with who is in the lawsuit. I bet money was also given (in the suit they said money was withdrawn and no mention to who, like cash) to Caroline and Albert. That’s how it works, Albert had connections to the local sheriff to help in local situation and such and also Albert and Caroline could have used him to get family loans for situations. Caroline is real afraid of being outed in some illegal activity, because it would literally destroy her whole image and she can’t have that.

      • pjbottoms says:

        Dang! Never thought of that. I think we might be seeing this family on a future episode of American Greed: Scams or City Confidential:FranklinLakes on the A&E network!

  2. Jack Daniels is a Pill Pooping Twitter Obsessed Moron!

  3. Susie says:

    Jacko will break under pressure.Hope they all go to jail or lose all their assets and really have to downsize.

  4. Aint Pittypat says:

    Delaying the depos is a game of cat and mouse but Jax on twitter puts lie to her busy with her autistic child IMO. Lets hope Jax can continue to afford a nanny ….

    • CJ says:

      A couple of weeks ago, Jax was tweeting about her new multi milllion dollar endorsement deal. I’m sure the BK trustee will find that interesing.

      • Aint Pittypat says:

        Add that to the Laurita’s Laundry List of Stupidity. Using BLK Water as a storyline also brought the company to the attention of the Trustees. Following the Laurita’s money trail is a piece of cake after the past season. If the trustees want to prove the Judge’s decision just roll tape of the past 4 seasons. Luxury cars, designer clothing, plastic surgery, lavish travel all funded by draining Signature Apparel of it’s assets. I’m surprised Parenting Magazine would want to be associated with these people. If I stole a loaf of bread to feed my family chances are the repercussions for me would be greater than for some white collar fraudster. Yet at the end of the day employees likely lost their jobs. So in effect Chris Laurita stole the bread from their families mouths.JMO. of course.

  5. kel says:

    So the Lauritas’ lawyers are trying to muddy the waters by attacking the opposing council, rather than use the facts for defense? Bad move.

    • sd says:

      Sounds like Jackhole has been taking notes. It seems to me that she was doing that exact same thing at the reunion.

      • kel says:

        I thought that too sd, always a finger-pointing scream with Jax, then some fake tears…never an acceptance of fault or even a clear statement to the real situation. Jax lives life in a blur.

    • Underdoglover says:

      Well, it’s worked so well with mudslinging at Teresa….Oh wait, never mind? /sarcasm.

  6. ccmmaahh says:

    How do they get away with this ? Outrageous ! They should be made to appear or go to jail. Waste of money with all of the delays. The people suing could just give up.

  7. Parkview says:

    I was unaware the courts would stall proceedings because of the upcoming holidays. I guess they would hate to inconvenience the Lauritas by dampening their holiday spirit. Im sure they have lots of parties and other committments. Wait. Someone should tell them that Easter 2013 is in March. And April showers bring May flowers so thats no good either. June looks good though…. unless their car inspections are due then. Oh well….theres always 2014.

    • Annoyed says:

      Not so much a convenience for the lauritas, the court system basically comes to a crawl because the Judges take off. Many different religious holidays coming up. They can play with the discovery date a bit but the judge will put his foot down eventually and she’ll have to show or be in contempt of a court order re; the deps

      • Parkview says:

        I thought it was interesting that Adeline could not make herself availablefor the deposition the month of september. Innocent people want to get these things over with. And the lawyers for the other side said the Lauritas have been slow to respond or havnt responded at all? That is not what you do when you have nothing to hide. It seems they are the ones causing all the delays.

        • Annoyed says:

          Most definitely they are the ones stalling. It’ll work for a bit but all the chickens will eventually come home to roost (sp?). IMO I don’t have a problem with the atty losing his cool and cursing. Can you imagine the run around they are getting in trying to schedule all these clowns with their stupid excuses. Jac doesn’t work right? What is her reasoning for not being able to attend a dep. mind boggling

          • Aint Pittypat says:

            ITA annoyed. The Lauritas are only delaying the inevitable I am sure their intent is to throw a spoke in the wheels of justice. The Judge is not going to be pleased ,IMO, with the foot dragging, especially when Jax has time to twitter and research her beauty secrets. They must be a secret since I see no evidence of beauty only a face full of fillers and botox.

  8. Aint Pittypat says:

    Note to all Jax ” friends” she apparently does not respect anyone’s confidences or right to privacy so if you think she might have tape recorded your conversations….chances are she has!
    Remember all those million dollar deals? I hear blackmail can be very lucrative.

    • kel says:

      I know, what is with all this tape recording? It never occurs to me to tape a friend, its very odd. After this, I don’t see how anyone would speak to Jax without checking her for devices.

      • The Law of Recording says:

        First off……in the state of NJ, it is illeagle to tape a conversation over the telephone without the consent of another party…..think about it even credit card companies tell you the conversation will be taped…..now, if you have a voice activated tape recorder on your body hidden and tape the conversation with a person without their knowledge….That my friends is leagle, 150% leagle. So Jac you can shove your supposive taped phone conversations up your fat azz and your wide spread stripper ******.

        • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

          http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/new-jersey/new-jersey-recording-law
          This is what I got about New Jersey wiretapping lawsl

          • CJ says:

            Lisa, if the NJ state statutes are your defense of Jax in her recording escapades, you’re on a very slippery slope. If Jax recorded, say, Teresa with the intent to bribe (which has a very broad legal definition) or extort (once again a very broad legal definition), Jax could be charged under the RICO act. Both are considered racketeering.

            Although the original intent of the RICO Act was to aid in the prosecution of organized crime, it has been widely used to prosecute all types of criminal activitiy. Even Jax’ statement in her blog about a recording was stated in a manner that could be construed as an attempt of bribery. There is substantial case law to support this.

            Remember, you have not only state statutes, but the federal code, as well as case law.

            • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

              Oh no way do i defend her actions, just the above poster said it was illegal to tape phone calls I just provide a cite that says NJ is a one party consent state.

            • Aint Pittypat says:

              Something in your comment shook loose a bit of reluctant memory. Does anyone remember Teresa saying that she is going to notify Law Enforcement if Jax does not stop calling or was it texting her? IMO I wonder if Jax mentions those tape recordings she claims to have? So could Jax be prosecuted under the Rico Act?

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                My apologies my comment was meant for CJ.

              • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

                I kinda figured that.

              • Annoyed says:

                Almost positive that was from jac constantly and unprovoked text msg to Teresa. I think she wrote about that (and provided a copy of the text) on her website

              • CJ says:

                I don’t remember if it was texting or calling. If Jax was “mentioning” tapes and their content, I hope Teresa saved the texts or recorded the calls. It all depends what Jax wrote or said, but given her behavior, I would imagine she was trying to use them as extortion.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                I know it sounds ridiculous but the two things just suddenly clicked in my brain. I’m just really curious because IMO when Jax mentioned the tapes at the reunion I felt it was a veiled threat to Teresa and Jax would release them as a whoopsie and then play dumb. Clearly Jax has been warned/advised the recordings were illegally obtained.

              • CJ says:

                Or, her intent was illegal. Teresa could have advised her attorneys what was going on and they could have informed Chris/Jax of their intent to contact the police.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Thanks CJ that had occurred to me and makes more sense than my original conjecture.

              • CJ says:

                Aint, I think we are beginning to see just how much capacity Jax has for malice. Fortunately, she isn’t that bright and is creating problems for herself. Karma is biting Jax hard.

              • kel says:

                I thought it was that Tre said that Jax constantly texts her nasty texts on Anderson.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Jax probably thinks being an out an out nasty beast will earn her another season on RHONJ. It’s clear as glass that the viewers are sick of the Teresa beat down but apparently Jax didn’t get the memo. Maybe she was asleep when it came. Andy should have told Jax, you snooze, you loose when she pulled that sleeping crap at the reunion.

          • laceys says:

            Very interesting. Kind of funny.

  9. I think this is going to go on for awhile but in the end they will go to the pen. The Big House, Away, JAIL. Yea JaxAss you’re nothing but a liar….a fake and a phoney….

  10. lobstahsmaht says:

    Well after all their depos, Thanksgiving is going to be interesting in the Laurita house.

  11. Sunshine says:

    Sorry to sound ignorant, but could explain to me what this means in short. Like will they go to jail or not? lol deposition is to testify right, so what are they testifying?? SH

  12. Aint Pittypat says:

    Really curious how long the Lauritas can drag this out. Attorneys are notoriously expensive and I cannot imagine defending 5 Lauritas is going to be cheap.The delays are ridiculous and in the end the attorneys will have every penny the Lauritas have. 3 hots and a cot may be preferable to convincing Jax to drink Bally Hi,shop at Goodwill and live in a van down by the shore,

    • love nj says:

      Pittypat: I also was thinking about how they can afford it. They bill by the hour. Of course, the Lauritas stole a lot of money. I presume some of the money Chris L took was used to fund blk water. And blk doesn’t seem to be the great success that DonCaro and her Manzoids want all of us to believe.

      • pjbottoms says:

        Hi love nj—I was just thinking what’s up with Jax getting all excited about their “new businesses” she can’t talk about? Can’t think that anyone would want to invest in a new business venture with them. I guess just going to work everyday and working for someone else is just not their cup of tea.

  13. sd says:

    Is it must me or does this make anyone elses jaw drop. It is amazing to me that these things are going on and Jax is sitting there at the RHONJ reunion and happily recounting the ins and outs of the Guidice bankruptcy. Now I am by no means giving Tre and Joe a pass on their rediculous bankruptcy issues but am I correct in assuming that they , in the end, withdrew their request of bankruptcy? I thought that was the case. If they proceded they both may end up in jail so they just dropped and are supposedly paying back their creditors. That is how I understood it so if I didn’t get it right feel free to correct me. Just curious.

    • Hers says:

      Yes, it IS jaw-dropping that Jacqueline would talk about Tre and Juicy the way she did, with the guillotine poised over her own neck. I really don’t think she’s playing with a full deck.

    • kel says:

      No, sd, you are right, this is far beyond the Giudice bankruptcy. The Lauritas engaged in deliberate corporate fraud. Juicy and Tre overspent and got into trouble, like many, and are working to pay. I don’t see how the Lauritas could pay this back in their lifetime. It is really amazing when you look at the dollar amounts, I don’t know what they did with all that money!

  14. pjbottoms says:

    I think this will go on as long as the judge is willing to put up with it. Your tax dollars at work.

  15. lisa the Irish Dragon says:

    Being a law abiding citizen I wouidnt know But are not all Depositions taped? then transcribed later by a court reporter. I didnt get deposed for my BR but the proceeding in court where recorded .

    • Lablover27 says:

      They can have a court reporter (who will later give them a transcript) and they can be video taped. My favorite Perry Mason moment my boss had was captured on video. I’m a paralegal and sat in. It was a sexual harrassmant case, we represented the employer. A woman claimed sexual harrassmant. The man kept her post it notes. OOPS. My boss let her go on and on and on, very sympathetic, nodding, letting her ramble, cry and cry and then BAM! Are these your notes? And showed her each one of them as her face turned white and her attorney’s face turned red…all on tape. “I need a massage, neck is sore, wink wink” “I left my panties at your apartment, you can keep them” “Ha, no one can see your hickey when you wear a tie”. Her attorney ended it. Dismissed the suit next day.

      If Jac is on video, she better double down on her meds, which they will ask her, “have you taken any medications today? Any alcohol?” Would love to see that on tape ;)

      • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

        Oh no how awful..we had a case at my work where a Army officer sent a card to a women and asked her about her period. sometimes i think WTF are people thinking when they say stuff like that.

      • love nj says:

        The depositions are sealed per the protective order.

        I think a criminal indictment will be issued. The Lauritas better plea bargain.

      • Hers says:

        That’s a GREAT story, Lablover!

    • Aint Pittypat says:

      Lisa, it was not a deposition it was a meet and confer between the two legal teams. Not a deposition. The Lauritas requested permission to tape the opposing attorneys after the fact rather than at the inception of the meeting. The tape was erased.

      • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

        gotcha

        • Aint Pittypat says:

          II have trouble reading the tiny print but from what I can decipher it is pretty nasty between opposing councils. The attorneys are using profanity and that is why the Laurita’s taped the other side. The Lauritas attorneys claim they feel threatened but apparently none of the claims were substantiated.

  16. Sparklie222 says:

    Lawyers are expensive. JayZ will never run out of money to pay his lawyers. Can’t say the same concerning the Lauritas. It will eventually go to trial and it won’t be pretty. Imagine living with this over your head, year after year?

    • love nj says:

      The Lauritas screwed a celebrity. Big mistake. I always said how could some rough and tumble people be so successful? Answer. Crime.

    • Stlrfan8 says:

      Wait, this was Jay-Z’s partnership? I think SH put something like that up, but I don’t care for Jay-Z OR the Laurita’s so I probably overlooked it. Anyway… it caught my attention today…. Which brings me to my next comment…

      Isn’t Melissa Gorga a FOOL to hang out with the Laurita’s if she has any hopes (in her dreams, not reality) of getting into the music biz? Jay-Z (despite how much I don’t like the dude) is extremely powerful in the music industry – as his his little known (wink) wife. Wonder if it ever occurred to MeGo – in her desire to rub Tre’s nose in her friendship – that those people could help ruin her as well. They’re ALL Stoopid….

      • ktgirl says:

        I think it would be a safe guess that Jay-Z isn’t happy about having his name dragged through the Mud-thanks to the Laurita’s!
        I also think MeGo is a FOOL for becoming buddy-buddy with Jax Laurita, just as Jax is a FOOL for being buddy-buddy with MeGo! The two of them are a recipe for disaster!

  17. Maynardfan says:

    Jaqueline could barely hold back the tears trying to explain away her financial woes. She can say whatever she wants, but her face says it all. She’s terrified!

  18. jencherrie84 says:

    Hey Jac, Teresa’s bankruptcy is completely DIFFERENT from yours. One thing, SHE STOPPED HERS…YOU CANNOT STOP THIS…this is a HUGE deal…I did not know it was that BAD.

    • ktgirl says:

      Oh it’s bad all right! Jax has really lost her marbles.. if she believes that her bankruptcy is somehow better then Teresa’s was! You’re right jencherrie…the real kicker is Teresa & Joe are paying off their debt!

      • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

        yeah well teresa and juicy didn’t have much of a choice but to pay it off, their bankruptcy had very little chance of being granted, its was face prosecution or pay your debts basically.

  19. ktgirl says:

    I knew there was something very amiss going on with the Laurita finances just by what Bravo was NOT printing back in May. Many of us had read about Signature Apparel and BLK and tried to comment about such on Bravo blogs, but I never read a single comment about the REAL issue’s surrounding the legal matters about either company!
    The Laurita’s-lining their pockets…Quickly and Before… their bankruptcy claim.. was ALL swept under the carpet by bravo along with BLK being a very cheap/low-end knock-off version of a Stolen idea from our Canadian friends!
    Many questions and comments addressing the nitty-gritty of the Laurita’s business dealings ALL ended up in Cyber Space!? Which, by the way, only heightened viewer curiosity. Like why was Jax Really SO…hell bent on trying to nail Teresa about her finances that day & night in the Laurita’s backyard? Geez, was Jax wearing a recording then too? Why WAS Chris lurking around the corner? We all know he called Caroline, when Jax was obviously getting to wasted…..???
    Who can forget Don Caro’s purposefully pointing out Teresa’s bag, as Teresa was walking away! My point is, I always felt that Caro, Jax and yes, even Chris were working Over-Time… trying to draw attention to Teresa & Joe’s financial matters ON-Camera, in an attempt to divert attention from their own legal & financial matters! Something else that never quite fit right about that whole mess was “Why or how could that help THAT much?” Sure, it obviously did help sway media and viewer opinions, after all, Teresa took a beating on the blogs by the Manzo/Laurita and Marco cronies about her bankruptcy; which Bravo gladly printed! The thing is…I’d be willing to bet that the Laurita’s are willing to stoop to the level of black-mail! Jax is so wacko and sings like a canary so..often, she’s gotten paranoid to the point that she fears….others will sing about what has come out of her Own big mouth! The funny thing is…Teresa was NEVER who Jacko needed to worry about, but MeGo, on the other hand…

  20. Aint Pittypat says:

    Slam the Guidices at will but most bankruptcies while not secret are private. Yes they are on a reality show but when Tre and Juicy withdrew their bankruptcy why the continued focus. If Teresa was a blame shifter she could have gone after the Lauritas. Why didn’t Bravo play Perry Mason with Chris and Jax?
    What has Jax done since filing for bankruptcy? Has she changed her lifestyle? Has she gone back to work? Teresa certainly has.
    That’s my problem with the Lauritas the unhealthy obsession with blame shifting, finger pointing and bullying while acting as if they are paragons of virtue. Even watching a clearly angry and unstable Jaxazz going after Gia was sanctioned by Bravo. The Manzos are busy propping up Jax and playing perfect “happy families.” Fine play that charade , keep up the facade but don’t trash the Guidice family.

    • Hers says:

      Great points, Aint.

    • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

      Teresa went to work but she hasn’t changed her lifestyle and she hasn’t downsized.
      The Guidices are not this noble lets do the right thing kinda people that people are trying to make them out to be, Yes they are paying thoer bills however Juicy continues to lose his property’s through forclosure and bank sales so They are NOT paying all their rbills
      and according to MS SH his business partner still hasnt been paid.
      I get The Lauritas situation is bad real bad in fact, But lets not glorify the Guidice more
      They ae NOT paying their bills as much as they want you to believe If they were They would no tbe losing property through foreclosure.

      • lisa: You are correct… Joe Mastropole has yet to see one dime, despite Tree’s statement that he was repaid. Mastropole may have to actually SUE Juicy if he wants to get his money! TFC!! SH

      • Aint Pittypat says:

        The point of my comment was
        A. The difference in how the two bankruptcies are handled by Bravo.
        B.Teresa has gone back to work and taken responsibility
        C,No where in my post did I say the Guidices are paragons of virtue.or noble.
        D My post was about the Lauritas.
        F. . Where in my post did I say the Guidices had paid off there bankruptcy
        Please do not misinterpret what I write……Thanks

        • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

          And I was just Trying to make a point not just by what you were saying But what others said
          The GUIDICES ARE NOT paying all their BILLS as what is being posted over and over.

          Thank you.

          • kel says:

            I think they are paying. As far as spending, Tre needs to spend a certain amount on clothes, travel, etc. She’s on tv and promoting her brand, and I think she should be able to spend a bit on herself and her kids. It isn’t like she’s just sittin around only making pay from rhonj, like Jax. As for the foreclosures, they have to happen in order to relieve the financial burden. I don’t think it would be prudent to pay back, say, a 1 mil mortgage on a building now worth 300 grand…. it is sad, but something many people are going through, and at least the mortgagors will receive the property/collateral back and be able to resell it.

            • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

              I believe she is paying, I just dont believe she is paying it ALL off like she claims. And like Ms SH confirmed Joe M hasn’t seen one dime of the money owed to him
              You would think he would pay that one first.

              • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

                and the point i was trying to make as well is BR is suppose to give you a second chance and teach you something. Teresa “brand” isnt going to last forever while she is making money now its not going to last if she continues to spend money like she is. I just hope she is saving something and not spending it all. Or she will lose that tomb she lives in and her “shore” houses.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                I’m not sure how she spends her money. I did not see the lavish parties, the extravagant shopping, the over the top children’s parties or the spa trips. I saw Teresa cooking at home and having friends over for play dates. Posche supplies her clothes for the show.
                Oops I did see her bra shopping with Gia.

              • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

                Well shame on her for buying a bra…Just kidding
                Good point she isnt throwing the lavish parties anymore.

                Sorry we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                We definitely can Lisa. We know you have a sweet heart.

              • Hers says:

                Lisa, I see your point. It not might appear that she’s “doing without” to the greatest extent possible, as someone that owes so much money be doing until the money is repaid.

            • Aint Pittypat says:

              Teresa said recently that they have cut back and are not spending like they once did. As for the Real Estate market , it’s difficult to move anything in this market. I think foreclosure may have been the Guidices only option in this market. If they owed 8-11 million the debt isn’t going to go away any time soon IMO. That is a huge burden hanging over anyone’s head. Teresa could cry and whine but what is that going to solve?
              My point was Jax and the entire cast scapegoat Teresa and Juicy while blithely ignoring their own financial ills. I didn’t give Jax not working a second thought until I realized the extent of it and while she was finger pointing and shaming her “friend” her own money was hot mess. I am sorry I hate it when people shame others over bankruptcy. I don’t think it is happy or pleasant choice that anyone genuinely chooses to make. I see a Mom with 4 little girls busting her buns and another who does not work but with a nanny, a Mcmansion and a Range Roverwho assures us her bankruptcy isn’t a big deal cuz it’s business. IMO Jax is a twit and a hypocrite.

              • Hers says:

                @Aint – “I see a Mom with 4 little girls busting her buns and another who does not work but with a nanny, a Mcmansion and a Range Roverwho assures us her bankruptcy isn’t a big deal cuz it’s business. IMO Jax is a twit and a hypocrite.” ITA.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                If I hadn’t seen changes in Teresa’s lifestyle trust me I would be equally unhappy with her. I’m sick of Teresa being used as everyone’s favorite punching bag. Even Chuckie had to point out that gasp! it wasn’t Juicy’s fault the bankruptcy was all down to Teresa. All those nasty little accusations coming from Miss Sanctimonious while the rest of the cast eagerly nodded their acquiescence .So is someone in the Lauriita household going to have to “go away”. Are the monkey see, monkey dos going to line up to hurl blame and accusations or is Jax going to use her autistic child as a shield or is she just content to swear on his life?

              • CJ says:

                In addition, Jax is a mean spirited and nasty person. She absolutely revelled at the reunion over Teresa’s problems, yet forgot about the beam in her eye.

              • Hers says:

                She sure did. That really leads me to think she’s not all there, mentally.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Jax isn’t mental she is simply a vindictive beast. Jax tape records friends, harasses same with texts and phone calls, reveals friends private confidences,( of course her confidences are strictly kept ) and is a rumor monger. IMO Jax behavior is very intentional.

              • Hers says:

                I actually think she’s a little of both. A nasty person, plus some sort of mental issues.

              • Hers says:

                And her inappropriate outbursts during the reunion really reminded me of Tourette’s — almost like a compulsion she can’t control. Maybe Chris should be carrying around a roll of duct tape for her mouth.

              • Parkview says:

                I agree with your opinion on Jacs mental status. I think she is a spoiled, overindulged, patronized, nebby washwoman. Everyone tells her what a “good person” she is. Oh she gets her feelings hurt easily because she is so sensitive. ……For sure, she is so sensitive to her own needs and opinions. And because she is such a “good person”, she must be correct in her opinions. They like to say…..she gives everyone a thousand chances before she turns her back on someone. And that is untrue. To give someone who has hurt you another chance is to forgive and yes, forget. And she never forgets. She nitpicks and dwells on any slight…no matter how small or open to interpretation. And you know, I think Caroline realizes this. Caroline likes to say how Jac is so easily hurt because she is so giving and kind. But its easier to look at Jac that way than to deal with what are Jacs real issues. Jac is needy and impulsive. She cannot accept the differences in other people. She allows anger to guide her actions. And having a close relationship with someone who is guided by emotion and anger is a full time job. Caroline has been on the receiving end of Jacs emotional sh#tstorm. I dont think Jac is going to get very far with the court system if she plans on playing crazy. It may be just another delay tactic. But it does tell me one thing……these people are at the end of their ropes.

              • pjbottoms says:

                Jac’ will also be keeping tabs on Melissa through her new BFF Melissa! Don Caro is smart to say that Melissa and Joe and Kathy are business relationships.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                PJ I didn’t even think about the Gorgas as a conduit to Teresa but dang girl you nailed it! Wow.

              • pjbottoms says:

                I meant to say keeping tabs on Teresa…LOL. Yeah if Jax really wanted to have nothing to do with Tre, she would stay clear of Melissa. That friendship will further alienate Tre from her brother. So distasteful…ugh!

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                @ Hers. You are probably right. There has to be an element of insanity to be that crazed on twitter.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Hers I responded to your post further down. Point well taken, there has to be some cra cra.

              • kel says:

                Agreed Aint. Tre knows this isn’t gonna last forever, and she’s bustin it to milk it as much as possible. And that’s my point about foreclosure too, you gotta do what you gotta do. Better to bust a move workin while you can and liquidate what you gotta, than sit around drownin your sorrows in Bailey’s and gettin cosmetic surgery….

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Teresa and Jo probably cannot get half of what is owed on the mortgage on those properties. I doubt they can unload their house at this point and let’s face it that will be all they have left when this is over. Teresa has to make her brands succeed because she knows the window of opportunity is closing rapidly. She took the two season Bravo beat down not because she enjoyed it because she had too. As she said I am a good employee. Teresa needs the paycheck no matter how sadistically Andy treats her. She has bills to pay and elderly parents in addition to her kids to look after.

      • JerseyG says:

        If Joe and Teresa have kept their house to this point? They’re paying THEIR bills.

        If their business/investment properties are subject to foreclosure and/or have been foreclosed on, they aren’t paying the bills that whatever corp/LLC Joe Giudice and Masterofthepole (whatever his name is) together or separate have.

        Or maybe no one is paying any bills and it’s just a matter of time.

        But as far as it goes today, unlike Joe and Tre; Jax and Chris knowingly took corp funds for personal use…and THEN Shady Chris took the corp computers to hide all of his shady – and when Shady Chris admitted he took the computers, they all of sudden were all sorts of “corrupted”. Yeah. Ok! Mr. Shady McShade.

        That ex-fiancee of Chris Laurita’s, who I’m pretty sure I have figured out as to who she is, should be thanking her LUCKY stars.

        Honestly? What’s up with Parenting Magazine? How does a mag call Jax out like that and then hire her to share her “wisdom” about ANYTHING?

        Doesn’t say much for Parenting Magazine. At all.

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  22. Aint Pittypat says:

    I can’t wait until jax tells the Judge “It’s ok Your Honor me and Chris are doin’ a business bankruptcy”! then stage whispers “but let me tell you about that evil bitch Teresa Guidice”.

    • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

      Ok that was funny

      • Aint Pittypat says:

        I have a very vivid imagination Lisa and I can actually see Jax dressed in all her RHONJ finery confiding in the Judge; acting like a grown up tattletale. If he rebukes her she will simply collapse and fall asleep all Honey Boo Boo style

        • OMG that is funny, I needed that right now.

          • Aint Pittypat says:

            Barb have you been evacuated? Are you ok? Ive been worried about you since the six o’clock news.

            • We are riding it out, my section of Stafford wasn’t evacuated…everywhere that it had to be evacuated has been done. Long Beach Island is closed off from the Mainland now. Please pray for the island and the workers who stayed there to hold down the fort. It is flooded but the worse hasn’t hit yet. Our winds have picked up quite a lot and it’s raining. I am in Ocean Acres so we are basicly safe from the Ocean and the rising bay. Beach Haven West where Teresa has her home has been evacuated. We have our supplies and I am just praying.

              Thank you so much for caring and caring for everyone who is going to be effected by this Frankenstorm.

              • pjbottoms says:

                Will keep you all in our thought and prayers! –PJ

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Barb- adding my own to best wishes, thoughts and prayers to PJs, Please keep us posted .

              • Thank you all so very much. You are all a wonderful group of ladies. I do so love this Blog and Ms.SH for allowing me to share with all of you. Also our guys here are the bestest. :-)

              • CJ says:

                Barb, be safe. I hope you don’t lose your electricity or have any damage.

              • Hers says:

                Will be praying, Barb.

              • JerseyG says:

                You’re closer to the coast than I am. I’m a little more central (in Somerset County) and a little more inland. Let’s hope we don’t get the full force and she turns a little east before making landfall in NJ. I heard that sections (even B. Light) of LBI had waves crashing up to the dunes early this evening. We have our generator ready to go (to keep the kitchen fridge running and a light or two). Winds are getting a little more crazy right now (about 2am). Irene was bad up this way, and Sandy is supposed to be worse. Got an automated call from Comcast tonight which basically said, “don’t call us when you don’t have internet or phone service, we know you don’t”.

                Stay safe!!!

              • Thanks Jersey u b safe also. The winds r much stronger now. Watching wwhl right now Got a few automated calls today. I guess we will just have to wait it out. Good luck to u. Be safe everyone.

              • DebWeb says:

                I will say a prayer for Barb, JerseyG, and all of the wonderful ladies for which this storm is heading.Safety and good thoughts heading your way.

              • laceys says:

                To Barb and Jersey and all those on the east coast today, stay safe and hope you all come through this with no damage.

              • CJ says:

                JerseyG, stay safe. Hope all of our wonderful Jersey Girls make it through the storm safely.

              • pjbottoms says:

                I second that CJ!

              • LBI is a mess, and high tide with the full moon is due shortly it has set down in AC, wind has gotten a little less, it’s the lull before the biggy. My power just came back however it can go again. We lost it for about an hour. Be safe all.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Thoughts and prayers Barb . Be safe my friend

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Jersey G and all others and our NJ Housewives be safe,

              • JerseyG says:

                Thanks so much to everyone! It was so great to read all the well wishes early this morning (Tues morning). We’re doing well, the 90mph wind gusts are pretty much over and now just dealing with the rain. I see Barb is posting and seems to be doing well also. That’s all you can ask for. Thanks again!

              • Thanks so much for all the kind thoughts I just read. I’m using my phone as a hotspot and running the IPad through it. I have a regular plug in my car so I will have to charge them both tomorrow. Bless u all

              • pjbottoms says:

                Glad you all are ok!!!! —PJ

        • Hers says:

          Funny!!

          • Aint Pittypat says:

            So glad y’all are ok. My prayers for everyone on the East coast. The devastation transcends any HW pettiness. The damage looks pretty awful and it was far worse than my comprehension We are a technology based society and I think we forget that Mother Nature can sweep all that aside and remind us that we are insignificant .

  23. Aint Pittypat says:

    Thanks everyone.

  24. jm30 says:

    note to sh. the chins crazy act did work in a case in the early 70′s thats why he continued it. I have no horse in this race but comparing jac to the chin is a bit low. The chin had many men beaten so bad they wished they were dead. He put a bullet in the back of frank costellos head unable to kill him and has ordered the murder of countless people. I can continue but there many many books written about the deeds of this man. To compare any housewife to this man is way out of line in my opinion.

    • Hers says:

      No one’s comparing them as people. They’re comparing the tactics used, i.e., to “allegedly” fake incompetence to avoid prosecution.

      • madepiley says:

        Yeah kinda like the Twinkies defense killer.

        • pjbottoms says:

          Hi @Made: You probably are getting a little snow up your way. Park roads are closed today here. I’m getting all,sorta of bizarre images of Twinkies!

        • CJ says:

          MP, are you going to get hit with the snow part of Sandy? Did you get any feed back from the officer at school? That situation has been bothering me all day. Nothing upsets me like any type of child abuse.

          • madepiley says:

            I haven’t heard back yet. Gonna give it till noon tomorrow. The resource officer rotate several area schools so it may just be a matter of him getting the message. I will keep yall posted.

            • Aint Pittypat says:

              Thanks Made, I’ve been out all afternoon and just checked in. Keep us posted please,

            • Hers says:

              Okay, I was figuring school was out a couple of hours ago for you and was giving you time to post. Looking forward to hearing some good news tomorrow. And let Gabe know he’s got a fan club here.

              • CJ says:

                Yes, give Gabe a big hug from all of us. He is one special young man.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Uhm tell Gabe that Nanna does not want to fly across the country and take care of certain parties who shall remain nameless….but if the situation goes Code Black then I’m in. I’m old but Nanny is a scary bitch with bullies. Especially adult bullies. I don’t want to open my can of whoop ass but …….As a charter member, card carrying member of Gabe’s Fan Club well it might get really ugly. I can always drag the hearse outa mothballs and drive cross country. It’s not pretty but it gets the job done.

              • madepiley says:

                Thanks I will he actually had an outstanding day at school . All the other kids took up for him and made it clear that they were not gonna tolerate Gabe getting bullied. It was the 2 or 3 mouthy band members that had a bad day socially. The band director let every one of them know that Gabe doesn’t answer to them and facebook is not to be used in this manner.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Made that is so good to hear. Nanna is relieved. Band Director handled the situation a low key, no tolerance, effective way. I’m so proud the other kids stood up against any bullies. Especially strong message by including FB. Go Gabe!

              • originalcyn1 says:

                I’m glad everything turned out well for him today. I still would like the Mother to get her come unpins! Well at least Gab will have a tougher skin for when he is a rock star! I doubt there is a kid in that band that has a fan base that crosses the country! I’m still waiting on my Tee shirt!

              • Hers says:

                YES!!! Now what’s in store for the evil mother?

              • madepiley says:

                Possibly a restraining order? I dont know? I would love to see this end in a mug shot for her. I dont care if she only gets probation or a fine. I aint interested in taking a mother away from her children during the holidays. Just want her to know that its criminal and unacceptable and to never ever ever do this to anyone else again.

              • CJ says:

                MP, so happy that things went well for Gabe today. That is what is of most importance, but, the mother has to have consequences for her actions. She’ll just keep doing this type of thing if she gets away with it.

                The next child she bullies may not have the kind of backing and support system as Gabe. An adult bullying a child is never acceptable. Let evil mommy go in front of a judge and explain herself. She isn’t going to be taken away from her children. I would hope the judge would order counseling and community service.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                The mom is an adult and this is unacceptable. She needs legal consequences and it needs to be swift and harsh. She acted out and did not think of the consequences to her children or to Gabe or his family. If she isn’t given a Come-to-Jesus then you can bet it will indeed happen again. You are very wise to not engage with her but let the system takes its course. You handled the situation like an adult and with maturity and remember Gabe is learning from your example. I am truly very sorry that this happened…….

              • pjbottoms says:

                I’m shaking my head because music is supposed to unite people and not be a platform for jealousy and rage! Being a band parent myself, and having a talented kid who practices her instrument, there are a lot of loudmouth parents and kids in band who are worried about who gets what chair and who is section leader and who gets the solos etc. I tell my daughter it’s only up to the band director, not the other kids and their cra cra moms! The parents who hate on other kids need to mind their own business and tell their kids to practice more or realize their kid isn’t as good as the other kids, but it is no big deal because everyone has gifts! When your kid blooms and shows talent, you will find out who can be trusted. Just my 2 cents:)

              • madepiley says:

                I understand totally. One of them said “you are not better than the band” and Gabe never said he was so clearly they are feeling that he is and at the root of that this is what that’s all about. The “mother” has a picture of herself om FB from back in the day as a flag girl , if that tells you anything. It speaks volumes to me in terms of how entrenched this lady is in the marching band way of life. Her kid is not my son’s section leader and unless he can strap on a guitar and do 1/10th of what Gabe does with it he needs to know his place. The band director let him know that too(not in those words of course) But he would not have embarrassed himself if his momma wasn’t such a dork and told him better.
                Note: Nothing wrong with flag girls or drummer boys per se its just when they take themselves too seriously and overstep their bounds its comical. And can surely get into delusionville when a mentally unstable flaggirl begets a drummerboy. In fact I am starting to think she was behind this whole thing because at one point the kid said I am not a section leader but you do have to answer to all the section leaders including the flaggirls. Which , of course is horse crap and he had to be schooled by the director that Gabe answers to him and him only. So it seems to me that this overgrown flaggirl on a power trip led her son into a world of embarrassment with her delusional overblown sense of herself. She certainly does not pass out grades so who was she to tell my child to take his “failing grade and go away?” Gabe made an A and will continue to pull A’s in band regardless of flaggirls wishes.
                Resource officer says we need to bring in our evidence(screenshots) and file a report. This will be done as soon as my husband gets back in town since he has it all on his phone. Hopefully this aged flaggirl will never do this to another child again.

              • MP: Thank you for the update. Simply cannot understand the mindset of an ADULT going after a child. Hope this does not discourage Gabe at all from displaying his musical talent. TFC!! SH

              • madepiley says:

                Well it has soured him on marching band. And that is a shame. I really wanted him to have 4 years of marching band so that it would look good on his transcript because is goal is to attend Belmont University. He does still have ensemble to look forward to though. And his private guitar teacher has some showcases coming up too.

              • MP: So sorry. Just unreal that an ADULT is responsible for doing this to a child. SH

              • kel says:

                Oh my, sounds like some agin old flaggirl needs to get a life! If it makes you feel any better, I had a gal in class tonight make a nasty statement about blondes, (I am blonde), and then not even laugh it off but inform me that I shouldn’t care cuz I’m a FAKE BLONDE. (Which I am not, I’m so blonde I hafta darken my eyebrows!) There’s a lot of a$$holes in this world…lol

              • madepiley says:

                I know every blond joke coming and going so I usually try to beat em to the punch on that stuff. I was born tow headed and stayed blond with no “help” till after my first was born. Now I highlight the daylights out of it. I figure when it starts going grey I wont know no difference.

              • kel says:

                Lol Made, I got my blonde jokes to..”What do u call a blonde with pigtails?…” But this broad was serious, no gigglin or apologies, so I was like, wtf?

              • madepiley says:

                Well that sucks. Some people are just weird.

              • pjbottoms says:

                Flag Girls…We call them The Color Guard down here and our highs school’s color guard is not very good, but they try. Some bands have enormous color guards and sometimes girls tryout for Color Guard after they fail at making the cheerleading squad or dance team. I hate to see that your Former Flag Girl obviously peaked in high school; those types of adults never leave high school emotionally and are therefore reckless! Your son cracks me up with his warning on FB that was actually a favor to the Former Flag Girl’s kid! Print out the evidence…let me know how it goes!:)

              • madepiley says:

                I really which I had the pc know how to blur out the peoples profiles and names and I would post for yall to see. I know I seem to be obsessing over this but it does help me to vent it out here so I can get my thoughts together in order to deal with Ms overgrown flaggirl in a more professional manner. If I was gonna go back to high school level with her I would inform her that she was messing with the kid of a former dance squad co-captian. And its already been broughten

              • pjbottoms says:

                No need to blur the name etc. I think I have an idea of what she looks like:

              • madepiley says:

                bahahahaha. That was great. But no more like your average garden variety marching band flag girl with some age on her and an emotionally stunted psyche. I keep hearing this

              • Hers says:

                I’m really sorry to hear this has soured him on band. Give it some time, and he may change his mind. Also, keep us posted on how the school deals with the evil witch, or if you have to take it further.

              • madepiley says:

                Will do. thanks.

              • romoshedint says:

                Pfft, little does Flag Hag know that Gabe is better than the band because he’s the best there is! If she can’t still twirl that flag and bust it like she did in high sch then she needs to get a new fb pic… I’ll wait ;-) Give Gabe a big hug and tell him to shake the mean ol hater off because that’s all she is and she’s about to go down!

              • madepiley says:

                tee hee. I will tell him. Thanks Romo.

              • duffydan says:

                MP….hey girl…I havent been on and missed whats going on with Gabe? I dont want to disrupt service where did you post what happened so I can catch up & read then I’ll catch up with ya in a bit. Is he your boy that his his drivers permit? (remember when we talked about that?)…so, he’s in the band? marching band?………cuz my daughter has her drivers permit and is in the marching band too. at any rate, I hope this all works out. :)

              • madepiley says:

                Yep that s the one. Thanks Duffy. You could prolly add some insite into this from one band parent to a newbie band parent. Another band parent overstepped her bounds BIG TIME. The story in on this thread http://stoopidhousewives.com/2012/10/29/real-housewives-of-miami-the-slap-followed-by-adriana-de-mouras-call-into-joanna-krupa-on-wwhl-videos/

              • duffydan says:

                MP, holy sh*tb*lls…I went from ground zero to 1000 to back to calm again in about 2 minutes reading that! WTF is that lady doing and Who the hell is she to question what your schedule is? You know, my daughter was saved by joining marching band….she’s such a lovebug but she was shy & overweight & she has blossomed…it makes me cry thinking about it…they won state last year–she won state as a freshman & is going again to perform in the Air Force Academy this year for state as a sophmore…..my point is this is supposed to be a safe place, a haven for kids to thrive…ITS ABOUT THE KIDS…My God….The Directors understand that sh*t happens and they deal with it…if a kid is missing, well, they deal with it…there’s kids out there in some bands that arent even playing…they’re faking it! #fact……that’s not what causes a low score in a competition…its the show itself, the marching, the music, general effect, and the deductions are for getting equipment on/off the field, rifle/flag drops, small things…..NOT BECAUSE A KID IS GONE! Gah! I want to smack that woman. I sure hope little miss comeuppance has now learned her lesson to keep her yapper shut and keep her nose out of everyones business…..Tell Gabe that some marching band peeps in Colorado are rootin’ him on! BTW, what instrument? My daughter played timpani (oh goody, pulling 700lbs of drums) last year & she made the drumline this year but had to go back to pit due to asthma & they had her on #3 bass & it was too heavy so the heat, asthma & not being in the best of shape = she could not keep up with the fast pace……she’s now on the BEAST. Yeah, baby!

              • CJ says:

                MP, if evil mom has a picture of herself as a flag girl up, really gives you an idea of what you’re dealing with. She probably peaked during HS when she was a flag girl. That was obviously the high point of her life.

                That said, it doesn’t give her license to bully children. I hope the school officer takes this matter seriously. It is particularily egregious because an adult is involved.

              • madepiley says:

                Thats all I can think. My son had wrote back to her comment and told her to get off the thread because he didn’t want to turn in a 50 year old LADY for harassment. This must have flew all over her because she prolly aint even 50 yet but in the eyes of a high school boy anyone over 30 might as well be 80 so he split the difference. That’s the chance that grown women take when they address children on facebook I guess.

              • duffydan says:

                MP, I’m glad your son is still going to do ensemble….I think he’ll enjoy it. You know, with my son it got physical when he was in 6th grade…he came into a new junior high…wrestled an 8th grader and won a spot on varsity. Next night, came home with 10 scratches down his neck (fingernails) and a big rasberry on his head. This eighth grade was “upset” that my son whupped up on him. One of my son’s friends from another school (a 6th grader) wrestled the 8th grader in a dual the next weekend and pinned him….kid went and hit a cement wall breaking his hand….KARMA! The boy is out for the season. Bullies always will get theirs.

              • madepiley says:

                Oh wow. thats funny. Sorry your son was scratched up like that. Was is a boy that scratched him cause that’s usually what girls do? You are right. They do get theirs. And just like your situation this all boils down to jealousy. My only issue with going forward is that several kids took up for Gabe on the thread and told the other kid that if he didnt stop bullying Gabe that they would have to deal with them. I dont want to get those kids in trouble for trying to stand up for what was right. My focus is on the mother and there is no excuse. If she thought her lil one was gonna get his ass kicked for running his mouth then she should have told him to keep his mouth shut. She COULD have turned in those other kids for threats but once she said what she said then her hands are no longer clean.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Made my comment is way down thread. Tell Gabe it gets better and there is justice. Genuine talent, the kind God gives you plus hard work can occasionally rile the haters!

              • duffydan says:

                Yeah, there was another kid on the same wrestling team (he was JV) that had to wrestle my son (Varsity) that he was going to “rape & kill” my son on the mat..this was after the 8th grader incident…he didnt want to wrestle him…I told my son to go kick his ass…he did & when it was done I said well, he might have said that to you but you had his ass in the air for 2 full periods for about 200 parents including his to see…..he also was pinned by a girl and she made him cry by breaking his collarbone. I LOVE KARMA! Sorry, anyways….at our school, the problem is with one of the Band Directors not a parent and I tell you what, if I ever get a chance to snatch her bald headed, I will. She just yelled at a parent with her mic on at the football field last Saturday for the entire band to hear. The parent isnt going to do anything because its the end of the season…..I’d have her butt in the Principals office on Monday morning with the Superintendant of the District on notice. Nope, not playing around……And flag hag mom needs to know she done messed with the wrong mamma. I so love your sons’ wit! the blinkers on the car comment & calling her 50 on FB when flag hag mom might be younger than that! That was a good SNAP in Z formation!

              • pjbottoms says:

                Hey take a video with your phone of that band director in action. Calling out individuals publicly and with a mic on is not cool! And dang–nothing is worse than getting beaten by a girl on the wrestling team! Kid is probably scarred for life.

              • duffydan says:

                when my daughter came home & told me about the director screaming at the kid & the dad, I was like “OH HELL NO!”…..that’s at least 88 witnesses!….PJ, I tell you and this is bad but I hid my smirk when the kid cried after the girl beat him…serves him right…he teased my son for that one too–that the girl had once pinned my son (although my son came back in a later match & pinned her) but that she took the smackdown the the bully! :) :) :)

              • pjbottoms says:

                If she broke the kid’s collar bone, then he wasn’t doing something correctly…I dated a wrestler in high school and you really don’t get injured unless you are fighting dirty. It’s a battle of strength and endurance if I remember correctly. I must say I do not shed a tear when the loudmouths get their clocked cleaned as my Dad would say:)

              • duffydan says:

                yeah, dated them, then married one….my hubby is the HS Asst coach…..that’s what was tough about my son being bullied during the season because that’s not what the HS program is about nor the other middle school……my son was good, not the best but understood it & was good….those 2 kids & the coach who would not control the room ruined it for him. My husband would come home shaking his head when his season was done & would go try to help out….those kids wouldnt shake their opponents hands, threw head gear & one of the parents was an asst coach at this jr high…threw a fit when his son was pinned……Soooooo glad they got rid of the coach & one of our State Champ wrestlers has graduated from college, come home & is starting the program ground zero….my son is hinting he might, might maybe go back now that the respect he has known at home & the new coach was taught at home & at school will be in place.

  25. ruth bagwell says:

    Just read on imdb that Anderson Cooper will NOT be renewed fot 3rd season. Maybe Mandy can find a new gig for him. Maybe he could be Juicy’s driver and give Teresa a break. You know, since he wouldn’t give her one on his show.

    • Aint Pittypat says:

      Tee-hee now that would be reality tv worth watching.

      • I like that Aint…maybe he can shine Juicy’s shoes or clean Teresa’s house. Isn’t KARMA a BITCH. :-)

        • Aint Pittypat says:

          Panderson Cooper hoped to revive his faltering talk show by ambushing and attacking (with great gusto , may I add) a guest. He talked over Tre, interrupted her and was a nothing short of a nasty, schoolyard bully. I expected Anderson to act like a sophisticated, well bred gentleman not a gutter snipe. His show is cancelled? Bwahahahaha.
          Maybe Pandy can don a g-string and bartend evry night on WWHL. That is after he drives Juicy to all his appointments and cleans Teresa’s house.

        • JerseyG says:

          Barb – you’re good? We’re good too. Nasty, nasty wind. Lost a tree and some shingles off the roof. Too dark to see much else (shingles were on my front porch! Tree started leaning hard when it was still light out). Still have power unlike a lot of my family/friends & neighbors. Transformers blowing up and sending up blue lightning all over the place! Glad you’re good and so much thanks to everyone who kept NJ and SH posters who live in NJ in their thoughts! Meant a lot to me!

          Hopefully the RHWoNJ are doing well too – and NY. NY is getting hit hard. Building collapsed, crane fell off another and is dangling, ConEd power plant “blew up” on E14th & FDR (I think, not exactly sure), expecting a huge storm surge…we’ll see what tomorrow brings.

          But yes, Karma is a bitch and what is funny is that I had no idea Anderson had a show outside of CNN until Teresa was on it.

          And I don’t not like Anderson Cooper, I don’t love him, but he’s ok. Has his really good moments, but then he also has his “do you know WHO my mother is” moment, here and there, pissy/hissy moments too. Who wears swans on their asses any more? Get over yourself Andy!

          • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

            Actually I still wear and buy GV jeans They are in Plus sizes and have nice styles and colors.

      • pjbottoms says:

        Sorry wrong video! This one is Made’s Flag Lady! I meant to post a video Anderson did in 2008 as a guest on Seseme Street…He was a reporter interviewing Oscar about the letter “G” for the “G Network”

        • duffydan says:

          bahahaha!…..and you can hear flag hag mom carrying that flag yelling “look at me! look at me!”……….I dont know about where ya’ll are but in our school, Visual Ensemble does not letter…only Marching Band does sooooooo SNAP flag hag mom!

  26. Aint Pittypat says:

    Made, Made, Made….I hesitate to share this but this is deja vu for me. I think there must be a malignant social disease called ” I’m still living my High School Glory Days”. This is all to familiar to me. My youngest d gave up gymnastics in 7th grade after a pretty scary injury. She was an elite level gymnast and suddenly lost without a venue to use her athletic ability. I encourage her to try cheerleading and she loved it especially because she could full twist and tiny enough to be a flyer. I knew we were in trouble after try-outs and all the Mommies congregated in the hall and started buzzing about their cheer years. I sensed that some moms thought their daughters should have automatically inherited their spot like a birthright. My D’s sophomore year went even better they were third at nationals, not bad. NCAAvideos the National Championships and when we to the parent viewing of the video nasty comments were made after D was featured in the video. I had zero control over that but the Mommy crew was angry. It all culminated on Senior day when my D and others found their cars painted with some really choice profanity after am practice.The girls were targets at lunch when a group of Seniors pursued them in a pack of 3 cars throwing fruit and pudding cups into the open jeep they were riding in and spraying them with fruit punch.One of the pudding cups sliced the driver’s eye open and it started bleeding profusely . The girls were all frantically calling parents and the parents were calling 911. This was pure harassment and bullying. The cops came when our girls went to one of the parent’s houses that was closest. The bullies stood OUTSIDE screaming and throwing trash, pelting the house with punch bottles and even ripped all the flowers out of the flowerbeds. The police intervened but the girls treated it like a joke even tho the driver ended up at the ER. with a broken wrist and a gash on her eyeball. The school said they couldn’t do anything since it happened off campus. We had the requisite meeting and were told it was an HONOR to be singled out since only the prettiest girls were singled out. We all pitched a fit to no avail. the Sr.girls all were allowed to walk at Graduation as if nothing happened, Tell Gabe tho there is karma and justice. I was at a cocktail party 5 years later and I saw two of the Sr.moms who both swished over and asked what my D was doing after she graduated from college. I said she had been accepted to Law school and one simpered and said her D had applied at ——- and was waiting to here from them. Where was my D going? (Imagine this in a really snotty voice) well surprise surprise my d was not only accepted but full frickin ride to Sr. girls dream law school. Later I found out Sr. didn’t even get accepted and the mom could not believe it. So there is justice sometime ya have to be patient

    • madepiley says:

      This burns me up. Children were injured. Your daughter got the ultimate revenge by going well and looking good doing it. Law school that is impressive!!! But still those girls should have been held accountable when it happened. Girls are viscous so I was really surprised that boys were acting like lil girls online. My first thought after seeing the mom’s post was I would take it straight to the sheriffs office since this happened also “off campus” But husband told me to go through resource officer. I am prepared for him to try to diffuse the situation with stuff like what was told to you about it being a honor (what hogwarsh!!) of its just jelousy. If I get that line of crap I will take it directly to the sherrifs department. At the end of the day i want a uniformed officer telling her that its a crime to harrass children on line. Dont care if they only fine her I want her to neva evea eva do this again

      • Hers says:

        Want to see this go to the Sheriff. Seeing too many of these bullying stories lately. A girl jumped in front of a train within the last week due to bullying. Too many tears.

      • Aint Pittypat says:

        We had a meeting with the Police chief and the superintendent. This was years ago and bullying was just becoming an issue. Columbine happened the next school year.. and many of us shuddered. The girls all had nightmares and anxiety issues for awhile. Girls are vicious, apparently this group were really angry because our girls dated Senior boys. They planned this for 4 months and had Senior Bitch t-shirts made.
        Listen you have to put a stop to this Made and the Mom. Or it will continue, maybe not with your son but there will be others.
        My D tho walked away with a lesson for herself. D’s Senior year she was captain and could choose her Lil Sis, as they called it from one of the sophomores.She chose one of Sr bitches little sisters. They have a big welcome ceremony for the new squad and parents ,boosters, sponsors. You could have heard a pin dropped when that selection was announced. I aasked d why she did it and she said “Mom, you lead by example!”.
        I don’t want the younger girls to think it is ok to be mean and ugly.” They are still good friends now all these years later. The Sr. Bitch came up during the season and asked D to forgive her, cried and said she was so grateful that she had been such a wonderful mentor to her sister. When a parents involved unfortunately it isn’t about the kids talking smack. It is about an adult on a power trip. I hope you shut her down.

        • madepiley says:

          Awe. What a sweet story. Your daughter is amazing, You done good Pittypat.

        • duffydan says:

          Ain’t…you speak the truth…what a great story about the example you set and what an amazing daughter you have raised. We do not get an owners manual when they’re born, try to teach them right & wrong….its great to see the “A” on the report card of life when you are their role model and they know what they’ve been taught is the right way to act. It must warm your heart!

          • Aint Pittypat says:

            Y’all are to sweet. I appreciate it, have never told the story before lots of water under that bridge. I’m proud D learned not to repeat the bully behavior and to set a better example. When times are tough wouldn’t we all love to have an owner’s manual?
            You all are really good parents and you clearly have the most important part of parenting down pat, not just loving but believing in your children and teaching them to be good human beings. Success and being a good human being are not mutually exclusive. Sounds as if Made and Duffydan have your hands on the wheel .
            I get so blinding mad when adults mess in kid’s business. It’s a fine line sometimes but the GetOverYourdangself Flag girl clearly crossed it.She needs her feet to be held to the fire.

            • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

              I am glad kids (like your DD) is learning lessons yearly. so many kids today are not being taught not to bully and not taught how to deal with bullys then they go into the work place and bully or decide shoting up the office is the way to deal with bullys.
              In my own agency one of my former co workers threatened to kill someone and he was promptly fired the thinking is you cant take chances these days. We wouldnt have issues if parents and others took the bullys by the horn and did somethign about bullys when the kids are young instead of the old KIDS WILL BE KIDS routine we hear so often.
              Annt you keep teachiong your D lesson on how to be a good youngin and she will grow up to be a good adult.

              • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

                AINT I mean, my verbalazation skills are not up to par today..need caffine.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Thanks Lisa she is grown now and a child of her own. I’m glad we got past it but it was pretty significant at the time. She had a difficult time on rush committee at her sorority in college and encouraged everyone to put in new place new guidelines with a zero tolerance policy regarding scurrilous gossip was not tolerated and potential pledges were judged on their merits. She came home in tears until she decided to stand up.
                It scares me because bullying is rampant and as you said in the workplace. Violence happens how often? It seems like 4 or 5 times a month lately.

              • Hers says:

                I don’t know about the rest of you, but where we live, the “ignore the bully” tactic doesn’t work too well. It just empowers the bully (we that out the hard way). So, my kids were instructed to repay verbal bullying twice as hard. BAM! That did the trick.

              • lisa the Irish Dragon says:

                Yea you gonna one up the Bully, the things about bullys children and adults bullys alike is You gotta stand up to them they dont like that. I had a friend who was transfering to a new office and there was a well known bully in that office I told her stand up to her from day one and you bet she will back down. and sure enough on my friends forst day at work the women started in on her and she stood up to her and let her know she wouldnt be putting up with the bullying and guess what it never happened again. Bullys bully becaus ethey know they can get away with picking on people the deam weaker then them.

              • Aint Pittypat says:

                Exactly Lisa. Some people have been beaten down their entire lives and one day they just snap. Better to stand up and say your peace when someone tries to bully you. It has gotten so much worse now and I really wish their were answers. Social media does not help.

              • Hers says:

                Another thing that doesn’t help is when teachers and administration don’t come down HARD on the bullies. Kids are often afraid to report bullying, because they know nothing will be done and being labeled a tattletale only makes things worse.

    • pjbottoms says:

      Wow! That’s the voice of a bully…you should be honored to be bullied? What a bunch of crap! Success is the best revenge your story proves!

      • Aint Pittypat says:

        It was the old “initiation” , rite of passage. Whatever when my daughter came home that day , walked in the front door and collapsed in tear, shaking it didn’t look like an honor to me. It looked like it was a damn good thing mama didn’t have a gun.. I saw red, blood red. One of my bff’s is an interior designer , longtime resident family owns a high end furniture store and design business, Think Suzanne Sugarbaker. She used to call me cackling with glee cuz she was privy to their little inner circle. Bullies Mom was just ranting and raving to all her friends that My D “took her daughter’s spot at Law School”. She was an alumni after all. BFD .

  27. Aint Pittypat says:

    Made it saddens me that Gabe is soured on marching band. I can’t blame him but breaks my heart. I wish we were a kinder , gentler society that practiced tolerance.Jealousy is so rampant now . You have to know that over-the-hill-flag girl is jealous because Gabe is clearly very talented with a rare gift for music. it is sad that she is caught up in blaming rather than encouraging him. All it takes understanding……

  28. Aint Pittypat says:

    ITA Hers. You wonder how much goes on that we never hear about. How many kids suffer in silence, how many refuse to go to school or are reluctant.

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