REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW JERSEY RECAP:
Season Four, Episode Twenty-Two… Reunion Part II
by Sandi Duffy
This is the season that won’t end of Real Housewives of New Jersey. I swear, if I weren’t recapping this show, I’d do what most of the SH readers are doing…skip the show and read the recaps.
Seriously, Simon! Thought you were in CouplesTherapy!
Before I start on Part 2 of the reunion, which promises to be painful, I’d like to mention that I checked out Couples Therapy to see what the deal is with Simon and Alex from RHONY. Not that anyone has asked, but in my opinion nothing is wrong with their marriage–they just want more TV time. I could be wrong. That pervy 51-year-old guy and his 16-year-old wife are so jaw droppingly disgusting that the rest of the couples pale in comparison.
And now for the reunion. My number one complaint is that Teresa’s dirty laundry has been aired all over the place, and I’m totally ok with that, but why isn’t the Manzo dirty laundry addressed? Why has there been no mention of the fact that Al Manzo has been screwing the taxpayers of New Jersey for years by lying about his primary residence and being paid six figures as Water Commissioner until Governor Chris Christie caught on and fired his ass? And why isn’t he forced to pay back the salary he collected for years? As a New Jersey taxpayer, I’d like someone to explain this to me. Shame on you, Albert Manzo.
So we pick up with Rosie, or as I love to call her, Pat, threatening Teresa. I can’t believe I am saying this, but Caroline is actually trying to mediate Kathy and Teresa for the stuff they said about each other’s parents. For the record, what Kathy said was worse. Caroline is actually making sense when she tells Teresa this is 15 minutes of fame and she’s going to find herself all alone. Methinks Caroline may have seen the error of her own ways. Could it be? Or am I giving her too much credit?
Oh great, a Kathy and Rosie montage. We get to see Rosie “come out” again. I think Rosie has “come out” about ten times. There is no way in hell that Kathy’s kids didn’t know she was gay. And there is no way Kathy was supportive of it until she got herself cast on this show. Teresa actually outed Kathy as not being accepting of Rosie. That’s got to piss off Kathy, who is trying so hard to be the “nice one.” Hey Kathy, you blew that cover when you started picking on old, sick people.
This bullshit storyline that Rosie just came out to her niece and nephew is pissing me off. When I was a little girl, my mom had a really close friend, Mary (may she rest in peace) who was a lesbian. I didn’t know what a lesbian was, but I intuitively knew that Mary didn’t have boyfriends. Kathy’s kids are teenagers. They totally knew Aunt Rosie was gay.
Oh crap, now a montage of the RV trip and toastgate. Toastgate is ridiculous. Kathy apologizes for calling Teresa’s mother a liar. Teresa moves her seat back to wear Melissa and Kathy are sitting. Teresa’s ass looks huge in her dress. Caroline tells Andy she didn’t have a good time on the trip. Caroline is a succubus. Everyone had a good time, except Caroline. They rehash the last night of the Napa trip which I don’t ever need to see again.
Teresa admits to regretting the way she treated Danielle now that she is getting it from Caroline. In all fairness, Danielle is a sociopath. Let’s do the math. Caroline has bullied Danielle, Kim G., and Teresa.
Teresa makes me laugh when Caroline says she was horrible to Melissa and Kathy because of Teresa ,and Teresa says that’s how Caroline is and being horrible to them had nothing to do with her. Truer words have never been spoken.
Dina and Caroline still aren’t speaking. Caroline isn’t speaking to several family members. Caroline’s family is as fractured as Teresa’s.
Andy calls Melissa a “star in the recording studio” and I am laughing so hard I peed myself. My son’s guitar teacher asked me to sing in his band and I had to explain that I can’t sing a note with handles on it. I could sing like Melissa though, with the magic of autotune.
Teresa dares Melissa to sing without autotune and she does and she kind of sucks. Teresa imitates Melissa singing and I’m hysterical. It’s a good thing I peed earlier because I’d be peeing now.
Jacqueline goes back to sleep. Jacqueline is definitely on something. These “ladies” curse so much, I think I’m watching a Mob Wives reunion. Caroline is having a side conversation that Teresa has put down everyone else’s successes, Lauren with her lapband and her sons with their businesses. Hey Caroline, we don’t need Teresa to put down your kids’ “successes”. Their lack of success speaks for itself.
Melissa claims to be selling her home to get away from Teresa. Puhlease. They can’t afford that stupid mausoleum they live in.
Next we rehash Teresa telling her brother Melissa would leave him for a richer man. That happened THIS season? Damn, this has been a long-ass season. I get what Teresa is saying. I told my brother not to marry his wife…twice. He never told her that to keep peace in the family (they have since divorced). Joe really shouldn’t have repeated that conversation to Melissa.
Melissa is being called out for talking to Danielle. Danielle really was a sick trouble-maker. Teresa thinks Melissa wrote “On Display” about her. Um, Teresa, I don’t think Melissa really wrote that song. I think Melissa is only slightly more literate than Teresa and her brother. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, Danielle claims Melissa went to Danielle’s house to try to get on the show. Bring out Danielle. Let’s get to the bottom of this. Melissa claims Bravo found her and Kathy. Come on, Andy, are you letting that lie go?
Joe Guidice is on the couch chugging a Red Bull. I can’t actually believe I am saying what I’m about to say, but I think Joe Guidice may have become my favorite NJ husband. He’s the only one who doesn’t TTC and doesn’t seem to ever want to be there when the cameras are around. He’s the only one who is not a famewhore. But don’t read too much into this. He’s only my favorite NJ husband and that bar has been set very low. We all know my favorite Housewife husband of all time is Paul Nassif.
I kind of feel bad for Joe Guidice sitting on the couch. He so doesn’t want to be there. I can’t wait to see Joe Gorga and Richie Walkile. They probably got hair and make-up done to be on the couch.
Jacqueline and Caroline perpetuating the rumors about Joe and Teresa’s marriage, true or not, is disgusting. Why didn’t we see Joe and Teresa’s vow renewal?
Andy jumps right in with the phone call where Joe calls Teresa the “c” word. Joe claims it was his friend. Joe tells Andy that if he was talking to a girlfriend he would have taken his mike off. I guess Joe isn’t as stupid as The Countess. Joe bitches out Andy for showing that scene. Joe Guidice, the only one with the balls to stand up to Andy.
We find out that Teresa’s money is hers to spend and Joe’s money is hers and Joe’s. Ha, that’s how my marriage was. My money was mine and his money was ours. Jacqueline gets pissed that Teresa outs Chris Laurita for cheating on her and she starts in on Joe and Teresa hitting each other; Joe calling Teresa names (which I totally believe); and Joe cheating. Joe tells Jacqueline she needs to have her head examined. And this is why I hate these women. They have me agreeing with Joe Guidice.
All these accusation may be true, and if they are it’s really sad, but Jacqueline is so cray-cray, I don’t think she is the most reliable source. Even Caroline is trying to get her to shut-up. And while I’m on the subject of Jacqueline, I re-watched the Posche fashion show episode, and I still don’t know why Jacqueline had such a breakdown last year that she couldn’t go to the reunion. (NOTE: BubbaJax knew that Tree’s bankruptcy issues were going to be brought up at the reunion… BubbaJax did NOT want even the possibility of HER bankruptcy issues to be brought up.)
Joe claims he never cheated on Teresa. Joe tells Melissa no one gives a crap about her marriage. Joe called Melissa full of crap. Then Joe, oh so disgustedly, asks Andy why he’s even there.
Next week looks freakin’ awesome. It seems that Joe Guidice has the goods on everyone and Teresa tells everyone Caroline told her Jacqueline was a stripper.
RHONJ Reunion Part III…Preview
AND… KomaKathy gotz da “ManHands”!!!
I think that 24 sec video is horrible. What you people have done to Teresa is beyond comprehension, Andy and all the producers of the show should be ashamed. All those loud mouth POS should all rot in hell. JOGO you asshole anyone could flatten you. The way you treat your family is disgusting. Change your name because a Gorga you are not. BRAVO you are so lucky someone didn’t have a heart attack or a stroke.
I think that’s what Bravo is going for next…..they already have a suicide.
A good one from last night i didn’t notice during the season — when they showed MeHo performing at BeatStock in the clips you could see all kinds of fist pumping going on — but i caught it on pause — you can SEE the audience behind ShortyJoe Katfish the Wicked Sisters and kids — everyone is just STANDING THERE!!! And you can see the stands in the background are almost empty. So the audience is standing there watching her perform and her family is in the ‘mosh pit’ up front doing all the fist pumping and dancing. i rewound it and looked at it a couple of times. Too funny!!!!
Ashlee is an artist?? Who said that? Geez, how insulting to those of us who have studied art for years. Ashlee is a farked up lazy mess who doodles adolescent color book pages. Please. The work we’ve seen is no different than half the crap scribbled in a junior high students trapper keeper. Sheesh. Despite this, I’ll admit, she is worth a hundred brain dead lazy Manzos.
The reason Ashlee didn’t go to art school was probably because they didn’t want her amateur and average “art”. She isn’t wanted anywhere because she’s a lazy dead-beat loser just like her cousins and ugly to boot too. With her fat, acne infested face and an ugly personality to match. The fact that someone said Ashlee is “young, attractive and slender” is laughable.
Thanks for the recap; couldn’t watch reunion. Finally hit my NJ housewife limit. Going by the clips and comments there’s not much to add except I wonder if miss Mandy has a secret crush on Juicy Joe. Tre’s Joe is just the sort of strong, macho, unobtainable tough guy that drives gay men crazy.
I agree w/Sandi’s thoughts on the whole mess…. Juicy was cracking me up… his attitude was one of “we all know this is a gravy train ride and nuthin’ more”…. I too wondered what Jax’s big issue was to not show up to last year’s reunion after watching the Posche show… I believe it was fear of mud slinging coming her way… MeGo protests too much about her job history, etc. I feel sorry for Tre…with that family who needs any more enemies.
I will fer sure be watching next time when Tre utters those words “Caroline told me she was a stripper…” Caro you can’t fly above it all the time…
I thought Mama Gorga babysat for Teresa.
Exactly, that is where Meho screwed herself. Remember when Tre made that comment that Melissa has a nanny and household help. Meho fired back in one of her talking heads that Tre doesn’t do it all because she has her mom and dad to watch the kids for her. So with that being said, I guess either Meho and Jackass are liars or Juicy had his MIL bent over his desk. These people really need to keep their lies straight.
Maybe Caroline, Jacqueline, Melissa and Kathy should have thought about their own skeletons before going after Teresa. I actually give Teresa credit for going this long without exposing them. It even now seems like Joe and Tre are still holding back. I even think they know stuff about Caroline’s husband.
Gotta hand it to Tre and Joe, I would have already let the shit storm loose.
EmeraldG: Hah! Yes, you can bet $$ that JoeG and Tre know a lot about all of them and have had the balls NOT to yap about it like everyone else. Jax yaps the most, but Caro and MeHo have also put stuff out there, and it always makes me wonder, “Don’t these idiots know where to draw the line, at least for common decency’s sake?” What goes around comes around. And it’s coming on Reunion Part 3.
I hope so but the taping was just that day, a long 12 hours and I don’t think Teresa was in any condition to get them. If she doesn’t on the reunion get it out now. Each one deserves what they get.
Last night was so horrible. Tre and Juicy couldn’t say half of what they wanted to say in order to defend themselves because of how much monkeying around with the plot Bravo did with their sneaky editing and shady producers this season. What a mess. I really hope Andy sets his crosshairs on the Gorgas next season. Missy and The Missing Link will find out very quickly how fickle BravoAndy can be.
There is no helping the Giudices. The lie and deny defense is gone. The Giudices are terrible to each other, they are worse to the castmasts and what is even sadder is the way they are raising their children. They are showing them its all right to lie. They lied to the court and end up having to pay back all the extravigant spending. They still spend and the debts are not getting paid. Now Joe Giudice is now going to spend time in jail for more lies. When do the lies stop. Bravo needs to boot both of them off the show. They are truly not fit to be parents.
@mutter69 Good gravy! Put the Melissa playbook down and go get an ice cream or something…just, please, be gone…
@ mutter69 I think many folks here can acknowledge the Guidice’s faults, wrongdoings, whatever…heck it’s been the theme for the last two seasons. The injustice here is that the Lauritas, Gorgas and sainted Manzos have similar shortcomings but have yet to be held accountable….hypocrisy and big time Bravo double standard. But TFC!!
@ Abby You’re right. I shouldn’t have asked Mutter69 to leave, bad manners. I apologize. I’ve just have had it up to my eyeballs with the canned responses…not excusing myself just trying to explain my motive.
No worries, adios, and totally understand your reasoning. And sometimes a little sarcasm is the only thing that keeps me out of the gutter
I should have quit at go get an ice cream…Lmao!
Look, its obvious on the weekly episodes the dynamic in the Giudice Household is trying at times. Joe has called her filthy names on camera, we have seen it. We have seen him tell her to shut up. Its obvious, there is no marriage there.
They filed a personal bankruptsy due to overspending. Don’t flaunt more overspending on the show and not pay off the creditors. He had to buy her multiple diamonds for calling her a C word on tv. Skip the diamonds Teresa, use the money to pay someone else off that is waiting. No one else on the show has filed a personal bankruptcy due to overspending and bilking a partner out of money from a sale. The Laurita’s have filed a business bankruptcy with the other business owners. The bankruptcy is about to close so all the claims that the Teresa fans keep posting must have been dismissed. All businesses are accused of that behavior, its TYPICAL.
I am not a Melissa fan and dont have a Melissa playbook, I am just stating the facts. Apparently the Gorga’s and the Manzo’s pay their bills. There is no bankruptcy filings there.
My last issue is with the Giudice children. How sad for a mom to exploit a child and have her trash her aunt on National Tv. It was disguisting. Why would you drag your children into this hateful mess. Why would Teresa make her child look so terrible on tv. It is very obvious that Teresa has spoke about the conflict with her brother and blamed Melissa. Teresa’s kids have not been taught to respect any adult, not even their own parents. Those kids have called their own dad a TROLL. There is no love lost between the Giudices and the Gorga’s but the ones who lose are the kids.
They need to agree to disagree like we do. I never intended to offend anyone, its just my opinion and apparently I am not the only one. 95 percent of the people on WWHL last night thought Joe was lying. 79 percent last week thought that Teresa was behind stripper gate and the MSN poll after the Reunion show part #1 thought that the RHONJ would be better off without Teresa.
Someone’s opinion is not fact. Unless you know exactly what the Guidices do with their money, you can’t talk.
The polls on WWHL don’t matter. They could be rigged. This isn’t an election. Pay attention…PUH-LEEZE.
As of June 2012, Teresa and Joes net worth was MINUS 10.2 million dollars. Many creditors have not been paid but she is still spending. There is a cap on the lengeth of time they have to pay and its part of the bankruptcy so its all public information.
When Milania “called her own dad a troll” it was a line from Dora the Explorer. When I was growing up I loved Different Strokes so If my dad would say “ok its bed time” or “clean your room” and I came back with “whatchu talkin bout dad?” my granny , who knew nothing of the show, would think I was backtalkin. It was a generational thing. Same thing here.
Agreed. Some people just love to pick on the Guidice kids. I think they’re delightful and so much fun to watch.
Yes they are. They are just being regular kids. All of them beautiful and something special about that Milania.
@ Made Malania WILL rule the world someday, with a most firm but benevolent hand!
Made, again, the perfect video! I’ve always said we run world, we’re just too polite to tell the men otherwise. What they don’t know wont hurt them! After all, what’s the harm in indulging them, they know the score, we got da power of da p^ssy!… and we all know what men have been known to do for that!
LMAO…power of the p^ssy….you sure got that right!! There isn’t a damn thing that men wouldn’t do for it
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They are regular kids. We just see small edited clips of them on TV. Teresa is raising preparing her daughters for the 21st century not Victorian England. The days of children should be seen and not heard are over. It is a healthy household when children are allowed to express their opinions and ideas. Frankly people should be more concerned about children who are beaten to death because they aren’t potty trained or physically abused because they can’t follow rigid parent’s crazy rules. The Guidice girls are a breath of fresh air. I will lay odds that no one will ever bully them.
@ Ain’t anyone that has spent any time around children KNOWS when you have 4 very spirited girls under the age of 10 (@ the time of filming THIS season) and 3 of them under the age of seven is like wrangling cats! Add into the mix a full camera and sound crew and make-up artists/stylists a dad that is NOT COOL with having to be a performing monkey and a mother that is juggling the ENTIRE load of shyte, PLUS dealing with an ailing father,PLUS a witch for a SIL PLUS a brother who can’t and WONT (operative word is wont) even fart without said witch SIL’s say-so…it must rile the baby-dolls up a little, don’t ya think?
RIP Gary Coleman.
@ Made You are so wise and always at the ready with a great video! Those girls know they are loved and would never be so fast and loose with the wisecracks if there wasn’t tons of love in that household, they’d be terrified to say boo if it wasn’t an environment of love. Everyone needs to cut Teresa and Juicy a big ole freakin’ break, they were under pressure like none of us could ever imagine or care to imagine. I’d like to see how all these delicate flowers with their delicate sensibilities would have weathered the storm they just went through! I would have shown up to that reunion with a machine gun and taken the whole rotten group out if I were Teresa or Joe! Lmao!
lol. I agree. We should revisit this thread in a year to really examine who “pays their bills” and how they are handling the fall out. We already know that MeGo’s bullcrap about not wanting her kids to go to school with Tree’s is a load of crap.
Oh!, Made, baby, that pimple is ready to POP!!!! And, I am not very proud to say, I cannot freakin’ wait to watch!!!
lol. You had me at pop! I cant wait either.
You should join me! I will have one of Teresa’s cookbooks on the coffee table, a bowl of popcorn on my lap and a Fabellini in my hand! Oh, the sweet, sweet justice it will be!
The difference will be that Tree will never tweet about it, never retweet negative things about her brother’s finances, never break bread with an accountant to discuss it, never give gloating talking heads about it. When the Gorga’s house of cards falls she will STILL treat them with more compassion than they did her. Because its her BROTHER. She understands this. The Gorga’s dont care. They are mean people. And a shame to his parents.
I couldn’t have stated it better Made. She is what true class is all about. Class is not how well you speak but what you say. It is what you DO and not what you seek others to do for you. It is empathy and compassion and, ultimately, knowing when to STFU!!!
Gotta agree wholeheartedly with you, made, it will be interesting to see where things stand financially with the Gorgas when all of the dust settles. It’s amazing that Melissa thinks that ANYONE would buy that fable of why they are moving….plus, it was just downright mean. She obviously didn’t preview that story to anyone with any sense….but I can see her sisters egging it on. When push comes to shove, I don’t believe that Teresa has wavered with regards to her immediate family, to include her mother, father, husband, children and brother.
The worst beating of my life was when I said “yes mam” to my mother. Not speaking English well she thought I had called her a Madam, (prostitute.) She had no Idea it was a term of respect. Being the evil child I was I told her that Bitchin was a bad word, and when my sister used it the poop hit the fan.Now that was generational and total revenge!
lol. My momma still thinks bitchin is a bad word. My valley girl phase was void of that one… well at least while the parentals were in ear shot. I think about that every time I watch Nadia G’s Bitchin Kitchin
Mutter: What you see of the Guidice girls is what Bravo wants you to see, all the controversial comments. They are just spunky, regular kids with a healthy sense of humor. I do not believe Tre tolerates bad behavior from them at all. Notice that they cut out the part when Tre was about to correct both girls (while they were driving in the car). I could see Tre say something in admonishment to them, but Bravo edited it out. You are so being played by Bravo and its “polls.” But Bravo COUNTS ON viewers like YOU.
Please. Teresa’s children exactly what Bravo shows. They are out of control retched childen who behave like animals. I don’t care if its a glimpse or an hour, you don’t allow your children to call their dad an “OLD TROLL” or your sister “A HOOKER NOT A COOKER” or the filthy names that their mom has told them to call their aunt. Teresa has exploited her children on tv. Its sad and its almost criminal. She is teaching them its all right to HIT your sister and be disrespectful to adults. There are scenes where the children are in a restaurant CLIMBING ON THE CHAIRS AND TABLES. There are scenes in the grocery store where they screaming, climbing in and out of the coolers while there perfect mother figure talks on the phone. Your going to tell me Bravo is at fault for this. These are her children. You can’t rig the tapes for this. I am so tired of everyone saying its all Bravo’s fault and it makes Teresa look bad. She looks bad because she is NOT a good mom. She wasn’t going to repremand them for what they said about Melissa. She told them that so they would say that. Joe was laughing and so was Teresa.
Mutter69 – LAY OFF THE KIDS! Derogatory comments about any minor children are OFF LIMITS on this website. Read the SH rules — this isn’t the first time you’ve had to be reminded.
I’m with you Hersandra. Mutter69 is getting on my last nerve talking about the children. It’s just not to be done.
Yeah, not sure what part of the SH rules Mutter69 can’t understand. It’s so clear. Plus, it’s just nasty to talk about kids that way. NO child is wretched (or even “retched”)!
I don’t have a lot of patience for anyone who bashes a child or children. This isn’t Victorian England. I raised two both professionals , responsible citizens and all around good folk. Teresa’s kids look like angels next to some of the stuff mine got up to. Now I look back with pleasure at all their escapades. I worry about folks who are completely obsessed with how other people’s children behave . Childhood is the perfect time to explore, speak your mind , test the boundaries. I suppose some people just enjoy spreading hate and bitterness. God love ya! what a joyless, soul sucking existence it would be to not enjoy the antics of a child. I MO Tre’s kids are hilarious exactly because they speak their mind aren’t afraid to get back handed or beaten to death by some rigid old sourpuss. of a mother. I hate to see scared looking kids who are afraid to put a wrong foot forward….
ITA ITA ITA with everything you’ve said so well.
I think Teresa is a wonderful Mom to four very bright, very outgoing, rambunctious daughters. Bashing kids just isn’t cool.
Not a good Mom is allowing your children to attend adult parties with alcohol , out of control drunken horseplay by adults in the presence of minor children. Groping, lewd sexual behaviors with the children fully present. What were all those cans of whipped cream for at an out door swimming party? Whip its? Why was Antonia in danger of drowning when an adult male body came flying in her direction. Oh yeah! MeHo parties hard but keep sit “classy”. Consider the source. I suppose if you think stripping and hanging out with the losers at Lookers then its more about location than behavior. Wow calling one’s child a c**kblocker! I have manged to live many years without hearing that term. I’m pretty sure my hubs would no longer be in possession of his genitals if he had ever made a remark like that in front of my child or about my child.
Azzhole? if i called my daughters that pretty sure we wouldn’t be speaking thereafter.
Jax spending night and day on twitter? Don’t even get me started.
Mutter: What you see of the Guidice girls is what Bravo wants you to see, all the controversial comments. They are just spunky, regular kids with a healthy sense of humor. I do not believe Tre tolerates bad behavior from them at all. Notice that they cut out the part when Tre was about to correct both girls (while they were driving in the car). I could see Tre say something in admonishment to them, but Bravo edited it out. You are so being played by Bravo and its “polls.” But Bravo COUNTS ON viewers like YOU.
Mutter is one of the 5 muskateers or is being paid by them to come on here and try to aggravate people. HIT YOUR IGNORE BUTTON DO NOT ANSWER HE/SHE AGAIN….jmo
mutter: It is NOT “typical” of business owners to file bankruptcy. The Lauritas raped that company and used the company as their own personal ATM… another fact that is not “typical” of business owners. As for using the WWHL polls to prove your point…laughable! The info re Signature Apparel has been on SH for months. Use the search bar… SH
How do you know they aren’t paying their debts? How do you know Joe is going to jail? How do you know what goes on in their home when the cameras aren’t there? You can h8 all you want, but h8 them for the things you actually know to be fact.
Seems to me that Mutter69 is paying attention. The Guidices are terrible parents. Their children are apparently spared nothing when it comes to family in-fighting, and when they talk about others, as well. Also, she knows that they don’t pay their bills, and that the Gorgas, Manzos, and Lauritas pay theirs, because thus far, none of them have filed for personal bankruptcy. In addition, Teresa, in her zeal for press, has, on several ocassions, talked about how difficult it has been for her to curtail her spending habits. Of course, she doesn’t say that on the show, instead she talks about how they’ve cut back, and then we see the extravagant Christmas gifts, and her passive-aggressive comment to Joe, ” I guess no diamonds this year?” I honestly don’t think she was defending Melissa and Joe G.,but simply stating the obvious. I think she is certainly entitled to her opinion, as you are to yours. Lastly, if you know how to check county courthouse records online, which are open to the public by law, you would see that it does appear extremely likely that Joe Guidice will be going to jail, at some point in the near future. I don’t care, one way or the other, about any of these people, but I do hate to see someone get slammed, rudely, for offering her opinion on the same subject that every other commenter on this site seems to feel free to do. Just because she doesn’t agree with you, does not make you right.
Rebecca, sounds like you don’t understand bankruptcy. No, the Manzo bankruptcy is not a personal bankruptcy. As I understand it, the Manzos are alleged to have looted their business to the tune of millions of dollars in order to live a VERY extravagant lifestyle, thereby hanging the legitimate creditors of that business out to dry. If you do a search on this SH site, you will pull up quite a bit of information.
The Manzo’s have NOT filed Bankruptcy.
Mutter — You sound like a member of the Manzo family. That’s exactly what I said — Manzo bankruptcy is not a personal bankruptcy. They looted their business, so that the business is now unable to pay legitimate creditors. Here’s just one post of many on the subject from this SH site: http://stoopidhousewives.com/2011/11/01/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-jacqueline-laurita-jax-and-chris-laurita-in-more-bankruptcy-trouble-and-possible-the-real-reason-jax-was-a-no-show-at-the-rhonj-reunion-shows/
I think you might be mixing up the Manzos with the Lauritas. The Lauritas are the ones who looted Signature Apparel. An easy mistake to make since they are ‘thick as thieves’ and all.
Oops — I did mix up the last names! I was referring to the Laurita business. Sorry!! Yes, “thick as thieves.”
I am not related to any of these people, LMAO. I don’t want to be either. But again, THE MANZO are not in a corporate BANKRUPTCY. Again, the LAURITA’s are part of a company that is claiming bankruptcy. Do you see the Manzo’s name there? Any you personally know for a fact they looted the business? I am sure the bankruptcy trustee would love to speak to you because the trustee has found no proof of the looting and there have been NO FEDERAL BANKRUPTCY charges levied against any of the participants like what was levied against the Giudices. Look at the date on the information you provided, it was a YEAR ago and because it was an article printed her, a tabloid type site, its the TRUTH? Really? That is what you are using as a FACT. You can’t use information from the National Enquirer, Star Magazine, OK! and In Touch as a fact and most of us are aware of that. I can’t wait for the Joe Giudice court hearing. All the prosecutor has to do is walk in and hand a copy of the drivers license with Joes picture on there. Then they can show the video of him in DMV getting the license and the picture taken. The state rests. He and his brother might look alot alike but the photo is a killer. With technology today, you can break it down with digital technology and prove who posed for the pic. Joe will be spending alot of time as a guest of the State of New Jersey.
Let’s be clear. The Lauritas are the people who are in a huge amount of trouble.
I don’t understand alot about bankruptcies either. However, from the information that is out there, it seems to me that the only difference between the financial messes of all of them is that the Guidices didn’t pay their PERSONAL bills (ie., supporting their lifestyle) while the others pay their PERSONAL bills (ie., supporting their lifestyle) with their COMPANY’S money….leaving their hands clean and the company holding the bag. Absolutely no difference….they are ALL wrong and a drain on society.
@ Abby May I add…The Guidices were negligent in not incorporating and their business debt is considered personal debt by definition. The buildings they were unable to unload in the real estate turn done-mortgages of which were/are upside down by 50%- contributed much more than their personal expenditures toward the total amount of their dept.
Thanks, adios (don’t want to call you lunatic!) for that clarification. For everyone of these people, it comes down to if they have five dollars, they spend six, which is easier to do if you have your own company and/or work for yourself in some capacity. Also, from my personal experiences, I have seen the tendency in building and construction of ‘robbing Peter to pay Paul’ going on. Not slamming those in that line of work…my son in law has his own building firm.
@ Abby I’ve mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. I think the Guidices were spending within their means but did not have a nest egg in preparation of anything happening. New money is want to be a little wreckless in thinking the money train will never stop. Thei income was slashed by half, VERY quickly. There was no slow down of the market it just -BOOM-fell out and they were caught without a safety net. Teresa and Juicy came from very meager income families and did not have the tutelage that they should have had from those that would have their best interest at heart and give sound advice. It appears that everyone of their friends, family members, extended family members (Marcos) were FINE spending weekends at their shore house, frolicking on their boat, being wined and dined on their dime and enjoying their outlandish parties. Teresa and Juicy seem like very generous people but were unfortunate in whom they shared that generosity, to say the least! You just need to watch the last 2 seasons to see what they received in return for their generosity. Pretty freakin’ sad, if you ask me.
I agree, its a very trying business and in this economy I feel for him. We are all hoping for a better economy and a more building and better incomes.
Sadly, small businesses took a huge hit during all of this, with many going under. One teensy little silver lining is that people are, hopefully, learning to spend/save more wisely. The modern culture in this country doesn’t tend to encourage those values.
Have to be careful there accusing someone of corporate fraud. Every commercial or business bankruptcy has claims of them bilking the company for personal use. Those were levied by the creditors in 2010 and 2011 on the company that the Lauritas are a part of. The bankruptcy is getting ready to be finalized and guess what, no criminal charges were filed which means the bankruptcy trustee found no truth to the accusations. The Giuidices faced federal bankruptcy fraud charges and had to back out of the bankruptcy or face federa fraud charges in not disclosing all assets and income. As of 2012, the Giudice’s net worth was MINUS 10.2 million and you have to remember, this includes all the property they own. They also have a time line, pay off the creditors in a timely fashion or the creditors can seize assets. So lets see, rather than buying his wife diamonds, maybe he should have taken that money out and paid a bill. You may not like the Gorga’s but they pay their bills, they are not in financial straights as some of the hard core radical Teresa fans keep saying. Their net worth as of September 2012 was 3.3 million. All of the other participants in the RHWNJ all have a net worth of over 5 million including the Lauritas. The Wakiles had a civil dispute with a lawn service they said wasn’t doing the job they were paid to do. Rich went to court and the judge ruled the company could only collect 800 dollars of the claim or what the company actually did. Rich immediately wrote the check. Everyone has the right to dispute a bill and thats what they did. They are not broke. When you accuse someone of something you need to be able to back with the facts. You are not going to find a fact on rag sites, from a twitter queen or rag mag.
You DO have to be careful accusing someone of fraud. That’s why this whole thing is going to play out IN COURT.
Actually there is a gag order in place so we are not privy to whether there will be charges or not. When a Judge issues a ruling regarding the case then we will all know hi desicion regarding the fraud charges. I may not be reading the same documents that you are because the Judge was not very happy with the Lauritas. The Laurita Brothers managed the Company right into bankruptcy.
Thanks for your expertise, mutter. I did qualify my thoughts, however, and I only read this site and links supplied herein. I wouldn’t give a rag mag or twitter queen (if I knew any) any time in my mind or day
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I know. I am really not trying to be an ass, just trying to enlighten some with the facts. Alot of stuff is out there floating around that isnt true, in fact far from it. I don’t know any of these people, I don’t care to. Its just my opinion. I am not a Joe and Teresa fan. I am not a stalker, don’t care about what and where they go and do. I don’t plaster the net with crap I have made up. People need to look at what is there with the facts and form an opinion. I am really not a fan of any of the Housewives. I think if I had to pick a favorite, it would be Kathy. That woman isn’t a drama queen, she tries to treat everyone with respect. She is a very good mom and has raised two very respectful kids. You look at the relationship with her kids, and thats a relationship that every parent wants with her kids. I think they have been through alot in their family, having a child with a brain tumor. I am not so fond of Rich but apparently he has been a really good father and provider. They don’t have to live in a huge home and its ok. They are not materialistic.
Mutter, I am 60 years old, always open to learning something and am usually not offended when I am respectfully schooled on a topic
. Not sure why some folks get all worked up and offensive about someone’s opinion….opinions are just like a$$holes, everybody’s got one but it doesn’t mean you need to be one. I’ve come to look at these housewives shows as a study in human and sometimes, as the awesome Tina Fey would say, “subhuman” behavior. It keeps me from getting too emotionally invested…..although I do have to flip the channel sometimes to calm down 
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I thought the harassing twitter stuff all turned out to be untrue. Last I heard they had said some over zelious crazy fan of Teresa’s was the one peddling that. It was someone by the name of Chris who is supposedly a fanatic and creating all this crap on twitter.
Well I am a 55 yr old who has raised 6 kids (4 girls and 2 boys) and now raising a 10 yr old grandchild. I am a professional who loves to point out the facts. I own what I do. I pay my bills and my taxes and have never bilked anyone out of a dollar. Maybe honesty isnt a quality in this reality tv but I don’t like the making up crap and claiming it is real. Not a Giudice fan because I don’t like liars. I loved Teresa the first season but when she was caught lying on tape, that ended
The Wakile children attack the Guidice children on twitter so I will take a pass on agreeing that they are wonderful. I’m not quite clear why these two teenagers would malign or attack children at least 6 years , at a minimum, younger than they are considering they do not frequent the same social circles. That smacks of bullying to me and is not behavior associated with well raised children on the cusp of adulthood. As for Richie, he has his own set of financial problems regarding his gas station law suit. Apparently Richiie did not find it necessary to pay Exxon Mobil for the gasoline and product furnished by them. I have zero respect for Kathy after her blatant name calling and disrespect of the Gorga Srs. Richie suggested Teresa is a witch who should be burned at the stake so I suppose the children’s twitter attacks come as no surprise .
…and Ain’t comes along with a left hook for the knock-out! Perfectly stated!
Wow now that is just horrible. It’s the first time I heard that. I guess the kids are fake ass posers like their mother. Knew that goody goody act was too good to be true.
@ Bizzymamabee (may I call you Bizzy?) I thought all along KomaKathy was using Richie as a mouth-piece. If she really is how she was trying to portraying herself she would have never tolerated him speaking like that about Teresa (or anybody) on OR off camera. I think she likes it because he says what she doesn’t have the balls to say nor does she want to take the hit, again, on or off camera. There is definitley a Meho/JoGo dynamic to KK & Richie, she is a few IQ points above him and she manipulates him the same way that Meho does the mental midget.
If my husband EVER spoke like that about/to someone I love (KomaKathy professes she loves Teresa) he would have gotten a smack to the mouth! Well, not really, but I would let him know, in no uncertain terms, that if he continued, whether under the guise of “humor” or not, he would be less one wife.
You can call me anything other than Melissa, Caro or Jax..lmao. Seriously though you can just call me bizzy or bee. If Kathy was really the goodie two shoes she portrayed she would have nipped anything negative that her husband said about Tre. Instead she let him say it and relished in it while pretending to poo poo what he was doing. She is fake as a three dollar bill. It’s ok because in good due time she will get hers. She is boring and trying to stir as much shit as she can right now so she can keep her bravo job and work her way down her bucket list of plastic surgery.
Not sure if anyone realized but I remember Kathy saying that Tre even said she had a lapband when they were jumping all over her saying that she likes to spread rumors and talk smack. Ummm Tre would have to be effing blind to think that she had lapband surgery.
@ Bizzy Rosie had the lapband, she mentioned it on Twitter when Teresa was on WWHL with Perez Hilton, we all see how that turned out for her…I digress I’m sure Teresa’s mother jsut got it wrong who had it done so, in essence, KomaKathy is pissed that her elderly Aunt was confused and said KK got the lap band. I say we take Mrs Gorga out back and shoot her for such an egregious mistake! Not.
Umm when did Rosie get the lapband? Jeeze Lauren better take a look at her then and realize she better start living healthier.
@Bizzy That I do not know. What I have observed is that Rosie is larger now than when they were filming a year ago…alcohol is what they refer to as a “super carbohydrate”. It contains 6 calories per gram versus a regular carbohydrate which only contains 4 calories per gram and is the simplest carbohydrate for the body to process making it, not just by calorie count, the most fattening.
I used to think that maybe Kathy really was what she put out there….eventhough her husband is disgusting in his efforts to be sexy and funny, because he is neither. But the reunion showed her true character….and, in my opinion, those “effin liar” and “coward” comments were an over the top kneejerk reaction to something other than what Teresa said….but I digress… I think every one of these people have behaved horribly in some fashion, at some time, on camera and online. And even worse, the adult kids have followed suit…also on camera, on twitter, wherever, actually encouraged by their parents, overtly or by example. It’s shameful and, frankly, it’s a matter of time before the little kids start following suit.
I would love to see this addressed at the reunion.
If they are not materialistic, why were Richie and Joseph in a clothing store trying to guilt the owners into giving them a bunch of free clothing? I believe that came out earlier this season. I’d also like to know why Richie has never been shown being at work or doing ANY kind of work whatsoever? What is it exactly that he does? Not the kind of example I’d like for my son. And I guess you can argue that Kathy is a good mom, but why would she not support her daughter going off to college (as Victoria wanted to) but instead keep her at home for the selfish reason of “she’d miss her too much?” And you say Kathy is not a drama queen? Well, gee, she sure stirred up a s*itload of drama when she called her aunt a “liar’ and her uncle a “coward,” which inspired her sister to go psycho on tv by making lunatic threats against Tre.
The ^^above^^ comment was directed at mutter69.
Mutter, and I say this with the utmost sincerity but when you assume to tell people what they do or do not know that immediately shuts down the effectiveness of your comment. many people post here and they are from NJ and are also Italian. Children are off limits.
It’s great that you are opinionated but our life experiences do not automatically qualify us as parenting experts. You really dismiss others opinions rather than commenting on the facts. We are all here to enjoy each other and have a good time. Relax and consider that as valid as your opinions seem to you ours are equally valid. You don’t have any more authority or wisdom that make your comments superior to others. Many of us support Teresa not because she is perfect but because she is a work in progress and taking care of her family the best and only way she knows how. Have a nice day.
mutter: You don’t need to “enlighten” anyone at SH with your “facts”… all of the factual information has been on SH. SH
The Gorgas owe a total of twenty million in construction loans (actually a bit more) that are bundled together with their Jersey Shore house and the McMansion as collateral. The Mcmansion was supposed to be a spec house but they moved into it rather than putting it on the market as it was the original intention. The loan is not backed by sufficient collateral as were many loans granted during that time. Since then the loan on the spec home, their current residence has been converted into a mortgage with payments of 14,000 dollars a month. The Gorgas would need an income of at least 140,000 a year just to cover their mortgage. Their combined Bravo paycheck is below that amount. The home construction business is in a slump nationwide and mortgages are difficult to obtain. So yes IMO the Gorgas are about to see the rubber hit the road. In terms of spectacularly living beyond your means and any means you hope to recoup they are all equally guilty. However only one person has been quite publicly made the scapegoat and that is Teresa.
Also very interesting that Joe Gorga Senior sold his own home to satisfy Joey’s past debt .
Interesting, I read that MeHOHOHO is 1.5 M in the red….It’s just so funny that everyone can only see the problems the Guidices have…..Teresa is working her butt off, but isn’t given credit for it. The Laurita’s allegedly bankrupted their business by funneling the money for their personal use. Wake up, there is more than one player in the losers circle….JMO ONLY
Doesn’t surprise me that Pappa Gorga sold his home so Joey could pay his debts. They know that Joey can’t come up with that kind of money. The house building industry like most others are at such a standstill right now. Everyone is hurting. Plus let’s be for real, he over customized that mcmansion. It’s freaking ugly. As a builder you put in popular things like granite, stainless steel, viking etc but have you really taken a look at that house? It really seems like a mismosh of styles. I took a hard look at the outside the last time and they seem to have thrown in several types of styles. The inside there are columns in doorways that really look ridiculous. I know a builder/designer will favor somethings but you need to keep it a bit neutral so you can appeal to the masses. That house would need tons of renovations if I purchased it. By the way Meho said they paid $1 mm for “her dirt”, maybe they should have built a house to scale. In a lot of the shots where they are playing outside, they are sitting in the front of the house. What happened to the backyard or even some side yard. I can’t see letting my kids play in the circular driveway. Or maybe they are really so house poor that they, like Kathy, don’t have any back yard patio furniture so that is why they keep shooting in the front.
Seriously and how many people want a recording studio in the house. If anything the financial meltdown taught consumers to live within their means. I read a lot as I am sure all SH poster’s do as well, and the trend toward building Mcmansions is reversing towards smaller more energy efficient homes. The profit for builders will be altered accordingly.
Both builders and buyers are moving towards more eco-friendly homes, they are spending the money on better appliances that will hopefully last longer and better energy efficient add ons. I read in a few places that people are opting for moderate and modest sized houses and taking the basement and making them into man caves or family rooms to increase their square footage usage while keeping the size/cost down. Think about it..who really needs more than say four our five bedrooms depending on the size of your family. You get some 10 bedroom monstrosity, the heating and electrical bill is crazy, the taxes are just outrageous and within a few years the equity might be upside down because of the economy. Let’s not forget when the kids get older and move out, who the hell wants to be sitting there with such a huge house.
I may be wrong but can’t you just rent something like that studio? Or perhaps BRAVO paid for it…do u think he is so overly stupid he would do that in a house he doesn’t even own. Come on now Melvin Marco has more brains than that…..NOT
I think the equipment in that studio was rented. The rest wasn’t much to put together, he needed some lumber, sound proofing supplies and some general contractor know how to make up that booth. I doubt it cost him a lot. They already had the space in the basement and he might have dropped what $5k in supplies plus the equipment rental. The equipment they did have wasn’t much, there was a small sound table, the mic and some speakers. If he was smart he would have just hooked up a mac to it walla instant studio equipment.
@Bizzy Nail on the head! That construction is so cheap outside of the “gotta haves” that you mentioned! Now, Teresa’s taste may not to be to some people’s taste BUT, it is the best of the best! I would KILL for that kitchen (designed by Teresa)! I think it is very well done and homey. Perhaps some think the home has an impersonal feel but the rooms that the family use on a regular basis are very homey. I’m not certain on the Master bath, it may just not translate well on camera. I would have to see it in person.
I like the design of Tre’s home. I think Joe did a lot better there. I do dislike some of her choices, I am not a gold kind of person and I think there is too much marble, especially in a household with children. I personally prefer hardwood. I have a few Italian friends and they love them some marble. Overall the execution of Tre’s house is more to my liking. I think the style outside is a lot more uniform and nicer as well. Love the way they have that Gazebo a bit up from the house, the koi pond that Joe has.
@ Bizzy Ditto. They definitely captured the “French Chateau” look they were going for on the facade. I could not live in Teresa’s home, I have 3500 sq ft and sometimes I feel like hubs and I are rattling around in it but, it does come in handy when the tribe of relatives come to be entertained! BTW, Italians (off the boat) are VERY flashy, just look at Versace’s mansion in Florida! It give’s me a head-ache! Teresa and Juicy are second generation and there taste is becoming a little more refined. I am second generation and we have come full circle to a more subtle form of expression!
@ adios..I have a three bedroom house and a finished basement with three kids, that is just good enough for me. I don’t need extra space so mooching relatives can decide that I have room to put them up. Happens to my mom all the time, one sister or cousin or another will call, mind you my parents live in a two bedroom apartment, and talk about they are coming to visit NY and was wondering if they could crash. While I love the a bigger house, I don’t want to heat it, clean it or mow the grounds. I am one of those crazy women that like to take care of their homes inside and outside. Then again having something Tre’s size would give me an excuse to buy a ride on mower..lol.
@ Bizzy I use to do inside and out then I just gave in and hired a local landscaping company. We have an acre and even on our ride on it took me a couple of hours. I tend my victory garden and my flowers, that is all!!! I clean my house because I am completely anal and (in my mind) no one can clean as well as I can! Plus, I just don’t want strangers all up in my things…we have two businesses and my hubby and I share all duties in regards to those businesses and he has garage detail and grocery shopping (w/list, of course)! We are getting tired and would love to unload one of the businesses but it is not the market for that right now…banks are not so forthcoming with loans with this tenuous economy, even for well established businesses as ours.
I am the same way about not wanting people in my business. Maybe when I am older I won’t want to tend the outside but for now it gives me a piece of mind and I can get away from the whole clan. I remember when my MIL was alive and she lived with us she always offered to do our laundry…I totally refused. I find it skeevie that someone would have to handle my underthings or take care of us that way.
@Bizzy OMgosh, yes!!!! I skeev that too!!!!! Lmao!!! And I know how you feel about tending outside, our veggies andflowers are fun for me and the hubs, the lawn is just a huge PITA!
You have a lot more lawn to tend to so I can totally see you hiring a service.
Yes and lets all please fall back on the fake twiiter account crap.I have never heard that piss poor excuse but would not put it past those “wonderful” Wakile parents. The Wakiles clearly trash Teresa at every opportunity like it is their job so why would the kids behave any differently? I have to say i find it vastly amusing that some can quote rumors like it’s bible doncha know but when others speak facts it is only rag mag, vindictive blogs. SH has a very intelligent group and we are all quite capable of doing research and basing our opinion on those documents.
Oooo! Nothin’ but net! BLONK.
LMAO!!!
I think you have it wrong about where the money went. They moved into the house behind Joe and Teresa and the money was used to fund the construction and pay off one of Joe and Teresa’s creditors from the bankruptcy
I don’t think so. If I remember the episode correctly Jogo said he sold his parents house. That was when he had that discussion with Tre, post visit to the therapist, about rumors that they were building an apartment over their garage for their parents. Jogo sold that house so I don’t see him giving Tre or Juicy any money. From what I remember reading, the house was owned free and clear and then Papa Gorga had refinanced and then Jogo’s name went on the deed/loan. So when the sale was made it was made with both of them. I think it was also revealed that Jogo used the equity from that sale to finance/refinance his current mcmansion so he could get a conventional mortgage.
No. You have that competely wrong. In 2009 Joe SR. sold their home and moved into one of the homes that Joe Jr. refurbished. Last year in 2011 Joe Jr. sold the home and the parents moved into another home of Joe Jrs. That home too has sold and his parents chose to move behind Teresa’s house. Joe and Melissa are in the business of buying, refurbishing and selling homes and warehouses. Several they rent but most are sold when a buyer becomes available.
Sorry but if Jogo was so well to do why couldn’t he let his poor elderly and infirmed parents have a constant home that they didn’t have to move in and out of. I don’t blame them for moving into the mother-in-law suite in Tre’s home. At their age a bit of stability is a nice thing to have.
What bothers me the most is JoGo talking about paying his parents’ rent, and yelling at Teresa about it. Speaking of his parents’ finances is so low and disrespectful.
Extremely disrespectful. Those are very private details you don’t share with the viewing public. Might be why his parents decided to live with Tre. No one wants to feel like they are a burden, old school and proud elderly people don’t/won’t like their business out there like that, especially being as they are not active and paid participants on the show.
You know absolutely NOTHING about Teresa’s parent. What would you know about old school Italian families. The one thing that did catch my ear in the last reunion tape was that Kathy said that Teresa’s parent came to the United States because of her parents. So Teresa’s parents werent allowed to come into this county without the help of Kathy’s parents. I think we should explore that fact alittle more. That would be very funny. Who would owe who then?????? Go back and listen to the reunion
Please mutter, can’t we just leave these people alone. Most likely Kathy’s parents sent them money for their passage. Come on now, this is their own private affair. JMO ONLY AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO IT.
Now I really think mutter is an anti-Teresa plant. (Maybe one of Mel’s sisters?) Like Barb just said, maybe KatFish’s parents sent them money. Maybe they ‘sponsered’ them. Who cares? The point is that JoGo talked about his parent’s money and living situation ON TV! That, IMO, is the worst – no matter what the culture, or country of origin.
You see, I am not anti-Teresa plant. I am sure there are others on this site who are not Teresa fans too. There is no CAPTION on top that said I have to be a Teresa fan to post her, correct? I use to be a Tre fan and then she lied and I am not fond of liars. My motto is you do it, own it. Don’t like it, tough. Controvery keeps you at your best game. I watch and listen and then look around and see what I can find. All these sites talk about Jac and Chris’s bankruptcy but none of them have anything more current that 2010. Its the same crap so I loooked into it. The bankruptcy is closing soon, no charges, no warrants etc. Teresa’s bankruptcy is still open due to the fact they filed and creditors posted losses. It will not close or fade away until each and every creditor is paid. By the way, the Giudice family paid for the attorneys, NOT the creditors. They still have not been paid.
Excuse me, leave Teresa’s parents out of the discussion. Teresa put them in it years ago. She has made them hate their own son, she had made them hate her fathers sister and her kids. She has lied and said Joe sold a house out from under them. I really want to know why Kathy said that her aunt and uncle owed her parents. You see Teresa’s dad and Kathy’s mom haven’t spoken in years either. So what is up with that. When Teresa let Audrianna in the middle of the fight and Kathy got her out of the way and then said someting to Teresa, Teresa convinced her mom it wasn’t true. (We all seen on the show it was true) and Teresa got her mom to scream at Kathy. Seems to me Teresa has her parents convinced she does no wrong.
Now exactly how do you know this?
“She has made them hate their own son, she had made them hate her fathers sister and her kids. She has lied and said Joe sold a house out from under them.”
Or did you mean to say that this is your opinion?
Joe Gorga has stated many times that Teresa and Juicy have lied to her parents to get them to dislike him and Melissa. Over and Over that has been said and Teresa even said in a blog that her parents are not close to her brother and his family. Teresa said that he sold the house out from underneath her parents and Joe Gorga said, Teresa ” I had a chance to sell the house and I did” . His parents lived free in one of the houses that he had refurbished. In this economy, if you have a refurbished house and its on the market, an offer is made, TAKE IT right. Not many houses are selling and when given the chance you sell it Even on the show it has shown how Joe’s parents are a no show for his kids birthday parties. Its very obvious to those who watch the show and the surroundings. .
I don’t interpret the show the way you do. I think you mean to say not “It’s very obvious to me”. Not “Its very obvious to those who watch the show and the surroundings.” By the way, what does it mean to watch surroundings?
Good questions. How can Teresa MAKE her parents feel anything?
She lies to them repeatedly. Remember, she had her mom believing that she didn’t up and leave audrianna in the middle of the scuffle, but we all seen that she did. She tried to lie and say she didn’t but BRAVO had taped it and even when she seen it she tried to lie her way out of it. Even watching the show and getting called out on it, she still denied it. She got her mom to believe that it was Kathy who lied and not her. Good Job Tre. Its totally obvious that Tre manipulates her parents
Excuse me mutter69 you really need to reel yourself in and learn to speak to people like you have some sense…I do know a lot about old school Italian families as well as old school Asian families. Do you know me personally to say otherwise. You are just rude and need to learn to type/speak to people. I have lots of Italian friends first off. Second off the older generation tend to be more private and not like to have their business paraded on front street. Jogo put his parents business on front street by saying he was paying their rent etc. That is no one’s business if he was, that is rather demeaning to someone if they are perceived as not being able to pay their way. My mother is currently fighting cancer and my dad is retired, I have helped them out financially many times, do you really think I would say something about it on TV. Nope, you do something because you can and want to, not because it will earn you brownie points.
You act like you have a horse in this race with your attacks on people. Odds are Kathy’s parents helped Tre’s parents apply for visa’s to come to this country. Well so what. Big fucking deal. Don’t know why that needed to come out of anyone’s mouth. Again, family sticks together and if you are in a position to help someone then you do. My grandmother and aunt came to this country first, then applied for my dad’s visa so he could come and he then brought the rest of us here. Do you think my aunt ever mentioned that or threw that around..NO. If you can help your family better themselves and have the heart to do it then do it but don’t throw it on the table for kudos afterwards. The happiness and opportunities you helped create for your family is the best reward. That is what family is all about.
Well stated, Bizzy. It is kind of pathetic when someone helps another and then throws that assistance out there for the attention. Kind of makes you question their motivation in the first place. I don’t believe that most people who need financial help are very proud of that fact and that is most certainly true of the older generation. They want their independence and to be in charge of their lives, just like the rest of us. I mean, have we seen or heard the elder Gorgas parade around on tv, blabbing about whatever help they may have given Jogo or Teresa, be it money, babysitting, whatever? This is exactly the kind of crap that could be part of the problem between Jogo and his father. Baby boy needs to grow up.
You figure your parents have helped you your whole life, did they ever say hey I fed you all those years, clothed you, yada yada..nope. So now that they are elderly and retired if they need a helping hand it should be done, especially if you have the ability financially, and not thrown in their face. To me if you need to speak about a helping hand you gave someone then you are truly a lowlife and only did it because you wanted a pat on the back or wanted to be able to make yourself look better.
I do know how to speak to people. I am also very opinionated. I do have the right to say what I believe and it seems that most here are huge Teresa fans to the hilt. I am not. I don’t like liars and people that turn the facts to try to support someone like her. I truly believe she is a huge liablity to Bravo and the show. Remember Jill Zarin, she thought she was the star of the show too. She thought she would never be fired because she had so many fans. She truly believed that Bravo would never ever can the STAR. Where is she today. People are really tired of Teresa and the over zealous fans who are trashing her castmates on twitter and in blogs. Her overzealous fans will be her downfall with Bravo just like the radical Jill fans were.
Actually you don’t know how to speak to people. Since you have been posting you have been offensive. Just look at how you replied previously to my post. You told me I don’t know anything about Tre’s parents, being Italian and old school ways with lots of caps. You come off as very judgmental and offensive yourself. You even have the gall to post negative things about Tre’s children…news flash Children are off limits. I wonder if you have children, Tre’s children seem like normal healthy children to me. Yes at times they seem like a handful but most kids have their moments. I have three of them and they have all done their own bit of mischief. I have no problem with you having an opinion. I am not a pro-anyone person on this show and I too have my own opinions. Everyone can state what they want without being offensive to another poster or ramming their opinion down someone’s throat. We get that you don’t like liars, big surprise don’t think so…most of us don’t like them either. I don’t know what part of Tre is a liability to Bravo. Matter of fact she is their cash cow in this franchise, just as Nene is the cash cow for them on the Atlanta franchise. Had Tre been a liability like say Danielle she would have been off the show.
I do know old school Italian and Italian families are very proud people. I am sorry to hear about your parents and I have been there. I lost both of my parents to cancer within 8 months of one another. I am opinionated, probably because of my upbringing and I am very independent. I have raised several children and they didn’t behave like Teresa’s ever. Family conflicts should never be spoken about infront of the kids. I remember 2 of my aunts never spoke but they were always cordial at family functions and their kids never KNEW until adults. There are ways to handle a family conflict with dragging in the kids. I don’t understand why people would take what other sites say as truth. All I am saying is show me the facts. What is said on another site or what someone copies, pastes and changes is not a fact. Whats on a tape or video can be spliced but you can see that too. Just because I say something or you say it doesn’t make it true
No. Joey’s name was put on the title of his father’s house to guarantee a construction loan for his business. Teresa actually loaned Joey Jr, money to start his business and he does not contradict that. The parent’s house was sold to pay back taxes for Joe Jr. Remember when Josephine and Tre left the brother sister counseling session and he started in on her about his parents need a house? Joey also did a talking head and that he payed his parent’s rent? Of course he did ! he owed them at least that. Their is no “house” behind Teresa’s but instead an albeit separate addition to theirs. Joe’s Guidice’s father helped him pay off his bankruptcy.
@ Aint…..see why Melissa needs to shut her trap about it being said that Juicy gave Joey and Bucktooth their start. Obviously Tre a housewife at the time had to get that startup capital from her husband. So in essence Juicy did not only give Joey capital, he also showed him the whole game of house flipping.
Nobody, not even Tre, can make somebody do something they do not want to do. Joe Gorga, Sr., is old-school Italian and IMO has lost all respect for his son because of HIS SON, not Tre. I don’t care what excuse Lil’JoeG gives to anyone, you don’t sell a house from under someone for a reason that ONLY benefits you, especially someone from the old country who doesn’t care about “today’s values.” My bro. married into a very old-school Italian family, his wife teaches Italian to h.s. students, and she also takes 50+ of her students to Italy every other summer. Her brother would have never done what Lil’JoeG has done to his parents. Unthinkable! Old-school Italians feel very strongly about staying in the home they’ve raised their kids in. Lil’JoeG’s shady real estate dealings are what toppled Sr. Gorga’s respect for him, not Tre. I’ve worked with developers and contractors like him who “take from Peter to pay Paul,” and always try to use someone else’s money (mostly because they don’t have their own, or they’ve hidden it somewhere untouchable in case they are caught). Lil’JoeG = Misguided opportunist with no values or respect for family.
It looks like JoGo is the Fredo of the family.
POW! ZING! SPLAT! Ain’t is on a roll!!!!
Joe used the proceeds from the sale of his parents house and so of course he needs to be paying their rent. Actually he needs to buy them a house in compensation rather than expecting his sister to carry the load. If you were the Senior Guidices wouldn’t you resent having your home sold out from underneath you…repeatedly. I don’t think Teresa has anything to do with the Sr and Jrs fractured relationship. Joey needs to take ownership instead of constantly blaming his sister for everything.It is a rite of passage learning to take ownership and responsibility for one’s relationships. It is very telling to me that Joey did not storm out to defend his parents when Kathy spouted off and Rosie began to rage. Melissa barely lifted an eyebrow. Joey Gorga needs to pull on his big boy pants and act like the man his family expects him to be ……That is my opinion.
That midget castrato needs to change his name to Joey Marco for real. He shouldn’t even get to call himself Gorga.
Right. No matter what happened, JoeGo is coming off as a little b!tch.
Agree with you, pittypat, that the most telling thing WAS the virtually zero reaction from Jogo and Mego with regards to the vitriol directed at the senior Gorgas by Kathy and Rosie. I find it very hard to believe that Teresa is responsible for whatever is lacking in the father/son relationship there….what, by gossip and he said/she said crap? Just doesn’t add up.
He’s never going to be a man again as long as ho ho ho has him by the balls balls balls… he will never make amends and one day he’s going to be a sorry SOB. He gave up his family for a lying striper ho ho ho who also is wanted by the police. Wow I think she got his gold cause he has nothing, yup 0 zilch, nada. Bye Bye Melvin Marco….
Wow. I guess everything is Melissa and Joe’s fault. Well I guess you are not doing the happy dance to know that Melissa, Jac, Kathy and Caroline are coming back. No word on Teresa yet. Wonder if that hinges on Juicy going to jail I thnk that is a SLAM DUNK. He will be sharing a bunk with bubba soon.
The same could be said about all of them. We don’t know anymore about the other members of the cast either but it doesn’t mean that many poster assume the worst.
Oh and once again we know nothing about the Lauritas because it is under a gag order. To make any kind pf pronouncement about the outcome is hasty and premature. I read the docs and cannot predict what the outcome will be.The Judge called for further investigation and sounded fairly irate when he made his decision. Isn’t it amazing though that the Guidices are to be hounded to death over about one fifth the amount of the Laurita Bankruptcy. Yet the lauritas bankruptcy is sealed that is why we do not have anymore information how that can be translated in to a declaration of complete absolution I am not sure……
Just the difference between a corporate and personal bankruptcy. Corporate affects more people and usually judges immediately do the gag orders. With all the publicity, it was much easier to just gag it. I think many will be very disappointed when the outcome is published.
The Laurita’ attorny asked for it to be sealed. Yes I think many creditors will find themselves holding an empty bag when the decision is published Really sad about the Komen Foundation…..
I am curious why Jax and her sister in law were included ? Something about being on the payroll? Hmmm…..
Wow just got off the Brownstone’s website and they are hawking gift baskets with the most expensive one setting you back a whopping $425 for a few bottles of wine some of their signature Brownstone sauce a few bags of asst’d pastas an apron and a 8×11 signed pic of the Manzo Family but curiously you don’t see Albert in it either he isn’t in the pic or he is hiding behind a strategically placed bottle of wine. Would anyone especially in today’s economy pay $425 for this? Personally I would rather go to a warehouse store buy as much as I could then donate to a food bank before buying any of this. Note the disclaimer at the bottom. (Love that this comes in a “Sophisticated Wine Box” as apposed to a “unsophisticated wine box” although if I did lose my mind and order this it would be just my luck that my order would be substituted with an unsophisticated one.)
You can also order your TG Dinner @$29.95 per person min. 12 take a gander (lol) at that menu which is subject to 7% sales tax (ok fine that is the law) AND a 14% packaging charge.) Just click on the turkey that say Thanksgiving Menu and a pdf menu pops up.
From The Brownstone website
Featuring some of the finest Italian ingredients, this gift delivers the authentic taste of Italy. This is packed with a complete gourmet Italian feast from organic pasta to breadsticks, antipasto to dessert, and of course bottles of both white and red wines. The delicious contents include:
3 Bottles of Red Wine
-Levendi Cabernet Sauvignon Symphonia
-Revello Barolo Vigna Gattera
-Tua Rita Giusto Di Notri
2 Bottles of Red Wine
-Levendi Chardonnay Red Hen
-Go Figure Lot 12 Sauvignon Blanc
2 Jars of The Brownstone Signature Marinara Sauce
2 Jars of The Brownstone Signature Tomato Basil Sauce
2 Jars of The Brownstone Signature Vodka Sauce
Mantova Linguini
Mantova Penne
Grissini Breadsticks
L’estornell Extra Virgin Olive Oil 500ml
Elsa Era 12 Year Aged Balsamic
Elki Pesto
Elki Bruschetta
Lazzaroni Bruschetta Toast
Lazzaroni Amerette
Divina Roasted Peppers
Gary’s Corkscrew
Sophisticated Wine Box
An Exclusive Brownstone Apron
Signed 8×11 Picture of The Manzo Family
We may substitute items of equivalent value and quality based on inventory availability. Baskets may be of different style than shown.
Price: $425
Oh yeah almost forgot Brownstone Bakery “coming soon”……..according to their site when you click on the Brownstone Bakery Tab. Did KomaKatfish get a second job outside of RHONJ?
Like you, I would be nervous that they would substitute the unsophisticated wine box. That was funny right there.
If the 8×11 Manzo family photo was left out, I wouldn’t cry.
Maybe people would splash out for that dollar amount for a corporate gift? I wouldn’t buy it.
I can not believe Bravo needed to extend the reunion into three parts. I wish Andy would have questioned Joe more about the phone call in Napa, but I think he was afraid to get a foot to the face. Unfortunately, I will miss the final part of the finale because of my work schedule at DISH. I think the whole “Stripper Gate” is pretty ridiculous at this point, since none of them have careers that would affect them if they were strippers. I’m setting my Hopper to record the final episode of the finale, and with all the DVR recording space available I will be ready for the upcoming Beverly Hills and Atlanta shows.
They will all be back. But as Jerry Seinfeld said the one and only time he was on WWHL (gee I wonder why) “why are these people on television. They don’t belong on TV”.
it is going to be hard to read through 471 comments and the posts I want to comment on are long and won’t let me reply.
Mutter69 – You are strongly stating your opinion as fact. I base my opinion on fact. I have no reason to like Teresa other than what I see. (it’s pretty sad that I would have to defend my opinion). I did NOT like Teresa season 1 &2. I was a Jacqueline fan. I am first generation Italian and having that in common with Teresa was not going to make me like her. S3 is when my opinion changed. I too am opinionated, but present me with solid facts and my opinion will change. My own husband is team Melissa and he hates Teresa. My husband comes from a different kind of family than me that is similar to Melissa’s (think Lysa and Kim…Whiskey Tango). My husband comments on how many times a day I speak to my family while he can go weeks without speaking to his. Family is very important to me and being a 1st generation Italian I am taught that you stay loyal and keep family problems within the family and never let anyone speak badly about your family, so my upbringing is what influences my opinion. If I was ever to find myself in trouble or need anything I go to my parents or brother and know they would never repeat it to anyone, especially not 6 MILLION VIEWERS!
Even though I thought it was wrong for Joe and Melissa to come on the show to cause problems for Teresa I still wanted to LOVE Melissa, because I did not like Teresa and bc My husband’s sister is the SIL from hell (My SIL makes Teresa look like mother Teresa), so I couldn’t wait to watch her stick it to Teresa. After a couple of episodes I could in no way support Melissa or the rest of the cast after seeing what was being done. Teresa’s family was more concerned with badmouthing Teresa and gaining the respect of Caroline, Jacqueline and the viewers, rather than gaining a relationship with Teresa. What really got me against Melissa was all the Marco family members tweeting and retweeting horrible things about Teresa….and worse, Joe allowing it! Fixing their family was not their intention, it was revenge. There is no reason for me to support Teresa other than I truly believe she is the victim of hate & jealousy from the people who are suppose to love and support her.
Teresa’s bankruptcy is her problem and up to a judge, not me. I have my opinion on how they got themselves into this mess, but that is my opinion as is your when discussing their bankruptcy. No one wants to file for bankruptcy, especially in the gossipy Italian community and when you are on national TV.
I don’t try to convert strangers into agreeing with me, nor do I go on sites where 80% have the same opinion and attack them for not agreeing with me, namecall and accuse them of being wrong and bias. Do you seriously think that is sane?? Do you really think you are better and smart than all of us? It’s like me saying my favorite color is green and you insisting it should be pink. I’m sure if we are voting for the same person for president you weren’t think I was crazy or stupid. My point is you need to lighten up because this site is for fun and is Melissa Gorga really worth making enemies for?
You said you have 6 children….imagine this going on in your family?
As for Teresa’s family being grateful to the Kathy’s family for being in this country…. When my mom came here with her parents you were put on a waiting list and needed to have someone sponsor you. The family that sponsors you have to put money in the bank as collateral ($1,000 per person) in case you can’t find a job or make in the US. That money is kept in the bank for a year and used to pay for your tickets back on the boat to Italy. Well They made it so Kathy’s parents got their $2000 back (Teresa was born here). My mom was on the waiting list for 5 years before they were allowed to come here. You live with your sponsor until you get your own place. My grandmother’s brother sponsored them and that’s what family is for. I never once in my 33 years heard my mom’s relatives tell my mom or me that we are lucky to be in this country and that we owe them. My brother and I would do anything for each other and when we say thank you we always response with “what for? we are family and this is what family does! You say Thank you to a stranger, not family” So I viewed Kathy’s comment as “if it wasn’t for my family, you wouldn’t be famous, so I deserve to be on TV too, biatch!.”
As for Teresa’s parent’s living situation, her parents owned a house in Monclair that was sold for $489,00 in 2009. The house was in the Gorga parent’s names so it is a fact that they had to sell their own house to help Joe Gorga! It’s public record and can post the info if you would like.