September 24, 2012 11:00 pm Bravo…
“Oh… forgot to tell you… I’m skeered of Moen bathroom fixtures and astroturf and sesame bagels…”
In St. Barths, I raised my voice, pointed fingers, and name called. I was wrong and have tried to express my remorse to those I hurt. Sonja truly got caught in the crossfire, and no one deserved my rants, frayed nerves or not.
I have learned the hard way that I do have a tendency to over-exaggerate to make a point. Unfortunately, the substance behind my words often gets lost. For example, was I really ceasing my friendship with Carole because she was smoking pink cigarettes? Of course not, I was just being flippant with a good friend who gets my humor.
The breakfast with Ramona, however, was a different matter. Yes, it was the aftermath of St. Barths, but my frustration with Ramona had been building for a long time and finally it came to a head. It is so much easier to say nothing and ignore things, but a cancer growing is not good either. While I sounded shrill, I could not keep it all bottled inside any longer.
Do I think Ramona needs to go to “rehab?” No. I am certainly not the appropriate person to comment on people’s drinking. I’m not an expert, but my mom died six years ago of alcoholism. I’ve seen the havoc and devastation that alcoholism can wreak, and it makes me overly sensitive to heavy drinking. I need to remove myself from that topic as it is too close to home. The footage speaks for itself, and I will let you be the judge.
Here is what I do think about Ramona:
She is rude and insensitive to most people most of the time.
She prioritizes her “turtle time” before anything else.
She will stop at nothing to cover up the truth. She will lie, discredit people, run away, or over-talk to deflect attention from her bad behavior.
Ramona brags that she is “honest,” but honesty without kindness is sheer brutality. Honesty doesn’t give one a license to be rude and cutting. I learned that lesson. Ramona, however, seems to relish slamming others, both to their face and behind their backs. With that kind of honesty, I think I’d prefer polite deceit.
At the time of the breakfast, I had finally had enough of her appallingly rude behavior, her mean verbal assaults cloaked as “honesty”(for example, spreading vicious gossip about LuAnn’s family, condescending to my catering staff in Miami, calling Sonja an “airhead”, telling me when to get out of the pool etc.) and utter lack of self-reflection. There are so many solid examples of her treacherous and disturbing behavior, which I will not enumerate here, but suffice it to say I felt so stupid that I had ever attempted to defend her. It’s my fault for overlooking things for so long, but my eyes are now wide open.
As you all have witnessed, my dad can be wildly inappropriate at times. Believe me — I have repeatedly asked him to behave, to tone down the sexual comments and “dirty old man” routine. But he’s a grown man, and I can’t change him. All I can do is turn red, be embarrassed, and pray that he doesn’t get his face slapped.
Growing up, my dad was my hero. He was an amazing father and husband to my beautiful mother. When I had my accident, he was the one who told me to “keep screaming” while I was trapped for three hours in the conveyor belt, even though others were trying to quiet me down. He was the one who told me that I would be the “bionic woman” when we learned the doctors would have to amputate my leg. He taught me never to be a follower and always believe in myself. He has always been funny, real and my champion – the way a great father should be.
Before my mom died, my dad didn’t behave as outrageously as you have seen. I know I’ve been taken to task for his behavior, and I can understand why it seems I condone it. But, please recognize, he is my father, not some stranger or acquaintance. I love him unconditionally. I don’t know how many years he has left, and I choose to accept him. I cannot be held accountable for his actions, but truly he is harmless and fundamentally kind. And NEVER would he throw anyone out of his home, vacation spot, or party. Please try to look beyond his schtick — he is a decent, good man. NOTE: NO, PT… YOU can look past his “schtick” viewers cannot. PoopiePiggyGeorge… get rid of him!
My dad had no idea it was a girls-only event. NOTE: Why didn’t PT tell him?? I was supposed to go with him, but at last minute decided to opt out. Suddenly, he found himself in a situation where he felt he had to protect his daughter. Truth be told, he, Ramona and Mario were friendly and in touch after Miami. He corresponded with them often and felt comfortable asking Ramona nicely for an apology. I am sure all of us can relate to a parent feeling protective of their children. NOTE: Uh… not when the “child” is in their 40′s!
All I can say is that Ramona should not have had two guards eject my father from her party. It was a vile moment that says more about Ramona’s relentless need to be seen in the best light than my father’s behavior. For the record Ramona’s self serving overreaction to my fathers touching her arm was the worst bad acting I have ever seen. I was very surprised that Ramona wouldn’t accept my check. This was about a charity, where personal feelings should not get in the way of money given to help those in need.
If the tables were turned, I would never order the removal from my home or party of one of Ramona’s relatives. Believe me, my father was rattled and speechless.
I am so looking forward to supporting Heather’s very important charity event benefitting The Kellner Foundation. It was hilarious that she asked me — we all know I’m a klutz with a tendency to trip and fall in public.
I would also like to cheer for my new friend Bradie. She lost her leg recently in a boating accident. She is 17 years old and lives in St Louis. This week she got up for the first time in a new temporary prosthesis. I am so proud of her strength, courage, and perseverence. Bradie is kind, outgoing smart and quite the stunner. Bradie, thank you for reaching out to me. I wish that all of your dreams come true and more.
Bradie, on left
Love,
Aviva
Help me someone how do I respond to that foto of George and inga????? Lawdy!
Inga has cold eyes and she looks unkempt.
Did anyone notice George mentioning how RICH Reid is at the house of health register? LOL!
Yeah I caught that. I commented on it on the other thread. Very telling.
I think her mother looks beautiful as well.
I did how stupid did that sound… I take it as they don’t have that much money, or he wouldn’t brag about it.. What a bunch of losers.. Every time he smiles I think that there are neon lights around his mouth… They look soooo fake..
Inga looks beautiful for her age. We are surely becoming blind to “real” faces vs faces pulled and frozen by plastic surgery.
We don’t know how old she is here. George is now 78 and inga if alive would have been about 74. This is obviously an older picture she dies 6yrs ago.
She could be 40 here and look like hell, for her 70s shed be pretty good.
Please tell me where, in hell, Aviva got her “Patrician Nose” George referred to in the last episode… while describing his Black girlfriend who looks just like his bitch daughter, only she is black. These two are so disgusting, beyond measure!
Nice of you PT to set up sahnja w your dirtbag dad, but you wouldn’t let your dad near Carole. You PT are the biggest POS alive!!! I say that from the bottom of my heart
I can’t help but wonder if Aviva doesn’t use these phobias (instead of getting help with them and controlling them) to remain dependent on Reid so he would never think of leaving her bec. she needs him too much. Ramona is a mess, but this woman is whacked out and so judgmental – she is scary and relentless. Her friends can do no wrong and anyone who has crossed her can do no right – such a hypocrite.
“her friend who have crossed her can do no wrong”…or maybe who she imagines have crossed her…
This is so sad… and ripe for her entry into therapy.
Um, i think its obvious who bradie is aviva…….. der…… shes the one not exposing both her legs….
i have never been a ramona fan, ever. i have thoguht she was bat crap crazy, but i think aviva takes the cake. ramona is child like in her facial expressions and reactions and she is very scared from her childhood and that is how she copes. but frickin pt is off her rocker. she is a dictator and is certain it is her job to educate others on how they must live their lives. i have no idea how her husband deals with her and her nuttiness. also, just looking at those 2 women side by side it is sad, ramona looks early to mid forties,and pt looks mid fifties… not good. hell i am forty, fat, smoke and drink and i look mid thirties at most…. guess pt wont be hangin out with the likes of me anytime soon.. i would rather have sonja to party with anyways
I’ve been wondering how old Aviva is myself. 41 is hard to believe
It is amazing to look at aviva & Ramona sitting together – aviva is ranting about Ramona being 56, clearly intended to insult her, & Ramona looks younger than aviva at 15 years her junior! When aviva is 56 she will have had all kinds of “work” done but she will be a haggard looking fright fest!
I do think she is correct about Ramona. It’s just that Aviva is so far out there one almost forgets
about Ramona’s overtalking and childish behavior.
I agree with you about Ramona, but Aviva has yet to learn that if she charges after Ramona like a bull with an attitude, Ramona will bite back and/or shut down and smile and shake her head and say its the other person’s issue. Ramona won’t admit she’s wrong–she just says sorry if you took it the wrong way. I think Aviva expected Ramona to have her back so to speak after Aviva acted as Ramona’s mouthpiece when she wasn’t invited on the London trip. Aviva needs to lighten up…it’s a dang TV show.
I am a fan of Ramona, but I’m open to hearing why she’s nutty to some other people. I think she’s harmless in her behavior (from what I’ve seen), she has businesses, so she at least works and keeps herself occupied rather than spend all day scheming and picking at others. If there is something you can point me to, I would not mind taking a look to see where I’m off.
I think Aviva’s problem is that she realized her name is the same spelled backwards, and she equates that playing a record backwards and getting messages from the Devil. She probably learned this on a plane trying to distract herself on the way to Europe for that ever-useful education she received.
Aviva’s mother looks like she has a thyroid goiter. Those things are inherited, and can cause depression, anxiety, and confusion if not treated. I wonder if Aviva has something like that going on, which would explain a lot. I’m not joking, I would feel badly for her if this is the case. Her mom being an alcoholic and having depression could not only have messed her up a bit emotionally, but could be inherited.
“The ‘Ramona’ (Ramona the lowest form of bravo ‘vile’ and ‘nasty,’ ‘liar,’ twisting truths and wants to play the hurt, put upon, and then she steal the coveted title ‘victim!’” She clearly has been keeping abreast of the post of the hatred traits of herself! She has chosen to (steal) adept the sentiments of “us” for her “Ramona-victims” and pin them on herself.
If only “Aviva” had been able to be aloof and subdued at the trailer trashy behavior of that … oh, I a lost for a tag! She “Aviva” was alarmed at the unique actions of those two “Ramona and Sonja nit-wits!” The actions of “Ramona” and “Sonja” were condone tonight by Miss Andy and that other foul floosey! Another vile, venom spewing, battle axe, whose nasty-air was greatly appreciated when she was gone! Thought she was gone for good!.
*Adopt* in place of adept! I would never label Ramona with being adept at anything! She is a conniver, a brute, a poser-pozer.
Agreed 100% “we all”. Aviva went about attacking Ramona the wrong way. I do not like Aviva but I abhor Ramona singer. She is a piece of white trash. She is a nasty vile uneducated fool. And Sonja who is her garbage side kick is almost worse.
I feel that Aviva was stunned by the rude awaking of meeting some of Ramona’s caliber. We forget Ramona’s has been throwing spanners in the works. Aviva is going to be fine once the dust settles. Ramona reputation proceed her. All of the NY elite is privy to her antics.
There is no way a mother could spin tales around true events that only a daft child could accept. Her daughter’s day of reckoning is looming. Ramona’s husband has lost his sense of virility and his buddy’s are aware of the demonic plague that he calls his reunion. Masculinity has left him and his empty manhood shell accepts that his life style is the best that he deserves.
I am agreeing with you too!
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This woman is OBSESSED with Ramonja’s faux lesbo times! Did she sit at home seething rehearsing her rant on “girls gone wild?”
PT is a rude, brash woman who is absolutely batsh!t crazy. The relationship between her and her father is just downright strange; I think she may be bipolar and unmedicated. Daddy is disgusting and should butt out.
I really don’t know why I keep watching these horrible Bravo shows, but I thank Ms. SH for providing a forum where we can vent our very last frustrations.
I think that PT makes Ramona look somewhat normal… She thinks she runs this show, and everyone should kiss her ring… She is missing something besides her leg… And who spells out a word when speaking to someone, unless it’s a child.. Her father is just sickening.. Sex, sex, and more sex… And to say PT will be meeting another girlfriend that looks like her, except she is black, was disgusting… I bet he hasn’t had sex in awhile, anyone that brags like that is just wishful thinking… I hope this is her first and last year… I don’t like Ramona, but she is so much more , and brings a new meaning to the word crazy…
100% in agreement shelagh5….you should know how far gone you are when you can make mona look better….the more she tries to clear herself the worse she looks
Exactly Cherry..how’s your son doing? I bet as good as ever… I have a son that’s just like yours… Lucky aren’t we?
he’s great and thanks so much for asking. Just went back to st. louis….he volunteers as often as poss at the animal rescue center now. I helped one day and was blessed by all the compliments I received from the other volunteers. Sooo very lucky!!
PT,
Your daddy told you to “keep screaming” was no doubt very helpful in the lawsuit. Surely that is not normal behavior out of a parent. As a parent, we are supposed to SOOTHE our children when they are going thru traumas not ratchet them up to hysterics. Your dad is a diabolical wackjob for that alone. And the sex stuff,especially when the comments are directed toward you, is beyond the pale as well.
Love,
Made
Ha, she is still screaming. By the way, incest is not the least bit amusing, and that disgusting old POS George and his constant sexual innuendos directed at his daughter are vomit inducing. That is just so offensive and so not funny.
MP you’re right about the screaming didn’t think of that, they’re both diabolical! I have a feeling that George in his sickness and dirty mind thinks he’s flattering his insecure disfigured daughter with all his sexual innuendos. But still very sick
Nothing says “white trash” like sexualizing your own daughter!
Oh, man. Telling her to keep screaming…for three hours? That’s some twisted, effed-up parenting.
I didn’t catch this story, but I can only imagine… What a dad, sicko!
Not only should he have tried to calm her but she said a Dr. was telling her to be quiet. Hysteria is understandable but can you imagine being the Drs trying to work with her screaming?! Dad should’ve tried to calm her for her own sake & the Drs! Her Dad is basically still telling her to scream when she should’ve been taught to be quiet.
Aviva was absolutely horrible in this episode. What is WRONG with her? What middle aged woman sends her father to fight her battles for her? If Ramona is truly as vile and malicious as PT says she is, why would PT send her beloved, elderly dad into Ramona’s vicious lions’ den? I mean, if Romona is crafty and depraved enough to throw her best friend Sonja under the bus, (according to PT) what’s to stop her from absolutely annhiliating George?
PT is an emotionally stunted evil liar. Her anxiety disorder is a ruse so she can always get her way and be the center of attention.
I suppose Reid wasn’t available to go so Daddy went instead. Totally inappropriate. My jaw dropped when, in the midst of all the chaos, he had the gall to hit on Carole. PT’s bad behavior has been learned and enabled by her father, and now Reid.
Can you just imagine how sick Ingrid the mother was??!!!
I don’t feel comfortable going after Aviva’s Mother. We have no Idea who she was or what she was like except for what Aviva has shared. We know how reliable PT information is. What can I say I’m a Momma’s girl. What ever issues Aviva has with her mother she has the education to know help is available rather than to carry that baggage with her for the rest of her life. Adult children of Alcoholics has been around for a very long time. IMO Aviva should have spent less time getting an education and more time getting therapy.
I agree about the reliability of pt’s comments about her mom. After all, it appears that much of what she says and does is to elicit sympathy. I’ver never seen anyone so engrossed in their problems. I’m wondering if the mother actually did die of her alcoholism. After all, she didn’t die at an extremely young age or anything. She may have had some medical issues from her alcoholism but I’m thinking that this blanket statement isn’t entirely accurate.
Cyn, I am happy that you have said this. Truth be told, we do not know anything about Ingrid, except what Aviva has said. Slamming Ingrid on any blog is in very bad taste and has absolutely nothing to do with the show. If Ingrid was an alcoholic, it means that she suffered from a “disease”, one that she needed medical intervention with. Alcoholism does not mean that she was a bad person.
Clearly, Aviva is a Spoiled Brat, who was and still is enabled by her father. A father who is beyond disgusting and inappropriate! I also agree that Aviva needs intense Therapy or her children will suffer life long issues.
I stated she might be lying below. But fact is PT brought her mother and father into this, so being speculative about the mother is fair game, no one is trashing her.
I think calling her a slut was trashing her. Don’t take offense but for me this really seems wrong. The woman is dead and gone and if Aviva is too trashy to respect her at least I can. Like I said I’m a big Ole Momma girl and it distorts my view of things.
I agree gf….I don’t think we are getting all the facts/truth in this…..it’s another ploy for sympathy. I would keep my deceased mothers problems private….
Oh plz, mp and I had fun with the stewardess thing, mp brother is a pilot and had some fun stewardess stories, it was in jest cuz of their “reputations”, and what kinda woman marries a George? Sorry if you didn’t like it. But according to pilots , stewardesses/ flight attendants earned their reputations. Not my fault.
Wow! What a sexist remark! According to “pilots” flight attendands are sluts!” Well, as a former flight attendant, I can tell you stories about slutty, A-hole pilots! I can also tell stories about many, many flight attendants that used this as a career in order to further their education and move into more advanced careers. The flying industry has changed a lot over the past 20 years, as have the standards for flight crews. But, before slamming an entire group of women, I would check out more than one pilot and his stories! LOL!
God we were having fun, don’t remember anyone getting upset about those original comments in August. And they were not slamming an entire group. It was light banter. Maybe you should go back and read them before you go slamming commenters again!!
Funny, I see you slamming commenters ALL the Time! I was expressing my opinion, based on what I read on this thread, period. Get over yourself!
Kate no on sees me slamming anyone we all see you going after commenters, are you starting again. In response to kateH below ridiculous comment again!
I’d drink too if I was married to George…
also, on one hand you have papa the perv and on the next hand she is claiming her dear elderly father was rattled and upset being old and all… can’t have it both ways biotch.
Also she is moaning about her poor 80 yr old father being mistreated by Ramona but she thinks it is reasonable for the ugly, old, buck toothed pig to bang women in their 40′s, like her, & younger! Gross.
daddy’s a perv’ hon’ …
not funny …not amusing …
kinda disgustin’ in fact ..
end of story ..
Sorry I’m a little late to the game…what does PT stand for?
paper towel.
These people are cuckoo in a way Kelly couldn’t touch. Seeing PT and daddy perv interact it’s understandable that her mother turned to the bottle to escape. I am not making fun of the situation at all. Maybe Aviva has a phobia of drunk people? If so, she’s on the wrong show.
why does she not seem to consider that Daddy is the reason Mommy drank herself to death? I bet he was a philanderer from the start and everyone turned a blind eye to it.
Does anyone know the true extent of her alcoholism?
PT said she died from alcoholism, unless she’s lying, so that’s extensive enuf
From liver failure? Overdose? Cancer of the pancreas, liver, or kidneys? The alcoholism is symptomatic of another problem entirely.
Omg that pic of pt’s mother n father. Notice how HE is in the front of the photo. He is such a despicable a hole. Ramonja . Applause to you both. She spells her words. Oh wow omg peg is crazy. That is CRAZY. Do you understand? I went to law school. lAW. I hate her voice.
I think PT has her mothers hands…
I think PT and her dad were one of the biggest mistakes …they just need to go…She is nuts and he is totally repulsive. He makes my skin crawl…They are both ugly people.
Yes – they are not even an amusing mistake. They are both sickening & deluded. I don’t think Ramona is an awesome human being but she is amusing.
Although I think Aviva is too judgmental and earlier in the season aligned herself with Ramona against Heather of all people, she has done something that the “other” housewives have never done, which is sincerly apologize for her actions. I think Ramona is rude, obnoxious and immature evidenced by the fact that Ramona called Aviva’s ex Harry a week after returning from St. Barth’s. For what reason? And as much as I hate to beat up on anyone who is so “down” Sonja’s sense of entitlement is simpy over the top. I give Aviva credit for “explaining” her Dad, notice I didn’t say defending her Dad. Finally some of the things she said to Ramona were true, hopefully she will not fall into the”victim” role and really hear what Aviva had to say about a couple of serious issues. BTW throwing George out of the fundraiser was totally unneccesary. Those people making comments about Aviva’s deceased Mother should be ashamed of themselves.
Exactly. Those commentators need are clearly far more crazy than Aviva and Kelly. I find it scary that we have people who actually believe the junk (Real Housewives) are REAL and scarily they genuinely think that their lives revolve around this junk show so much so that they have the right to not only be offended by a character’s actions but to go further and post some seriously nasty stuff (in this case making fun of the dead). Only in America can you find the Cuckoo’s nest and rest in it.
Real Housewives is junk tv, an hour to kill time by watching idiots make a buffoon of themselves. Please for your own sanity, do not go overboard with ridiculous comments. And remember, it is just scripted and edited for your entertainment. Nothing about it is REAL.
When reading ridiculous comments like those, I do wish, the sooner channels like Bravo and reality junk tv go, the better. Perhaps common sense will return.
Excellent post.
PT trashes her dead mommy on the show.
Aviva should be ashamed for putting it out there, but she needs another crutch to distract from her ugly behavior, trying for the sympathy card. Did you notice PT playing her tiny violin when Romona said she had worked hard all her life?
PT has accomplished NOTHING, no wonder she is such a rat faced shrew.
I don’t feel her apologies are at all sincere, not when they are laced with the same mean-spirited vitriol that has ruined this show.
PT brought her mother into this not us, she trashed her own mother on tv, and none of us are trashing her mother. You sound like east 74 or PT, if yu don’t like the sight don’t comment. And don’t think this sight and it’s commenters don’t understand what these shows are about, but it’s far more telling that someone would cheapen themselves and their family to star in one of thiese ridiculous shows, that we enjoy laughing at. They make fools of themselves. If they want to act they should go on a real show instead of this trash and stigmatize themselves
And I do not recall one sincere apology…..oh and who put up a pic of her dead mother for everyone to gawk at. Again manipulating looking for sympathy trying to humanize a bunch of freaks……it doesn’t fly. And only a crazy freak would go on a reality show. FACT!
I’m with you Girlfriend. There are only 2 reasons to go on a housewives show: 1, you are crazy/needy and will do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING for fame and attention
(anything to justify the addiction, right?)
and/or 2, you are broke/greedy and will do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING for money.
I’m also tired of the assertion that folks who comment on these shows think they are “real”. They are no more real than a show like Mad Men and we all know that! It’s all just juicy entertainment and it’s fun to discuss.
The thing is, I think we all know women who behave like this, and it’s sort of fun to watch how other people handle difficult social situations. And in that way, I like to look at it as sort of a learning experience! LOL!
Yes, but I also think we see “actors” individuality as well and some of their truth and life stories. BF was true to herself, her relationship with Jill zarin was authentic so was the falling out. And the posts from ms SH about PT are all true and coincide with a lot of her behavior on the show. Sahnja and Lumann are sluts in real life etc……….
Exactly! It’s the dollop of truth, and behind the scenes info, that makes it all so fascinating and a guilty pleasure. I’m intrigued by all of it. And at the end of the day, IMO, gossiping about these women is SAFER than gossiping about people I actually know!
Gossiping about ppl we know is wrong, this is different they invite it, and ask for it. It’s an entirely different animal.
Agreed.
I’m with you…the story lines may be fabricated but by golly, their personalities are real….and you can’t hide crazy! and that is what most of the comments here address
Yeah, I don’t remember a sincere apology either. Saying, “Sorry I called you white trash, but you were acting like it” (I know those were not her words – but that pretty much sums up her apology) isn’t really clearing the path to friendship.
What’s up with her hair?
I know….way too much bleach and way too long for her age/features.
Her roots look mostly grey.
I’m not Ramona’s biggest fan, she’s a little forward and loud. However, it is not Aviva’s place to school Ramona or Sonja for that matter in proper behaviour. Who the hell made her miss manners. I find it funny how in one sentence she says how she has tried to curb her fathers gross behaviour with no luck, so why does she think she would have any influance on two 40 something women, especially after saying some nansty things to them while on vacation and at the meetings after. Its like Aviva expects people to listen to her and forgive her any behaviour, then when they dont like Sonja didnt, she went right into insulting Sonja again. What did she expect Ramona to do, let gross George follow her around the party demanding an apology when he wast privy to any of the conversations before the charity function. If George had contact with Ramona after Miami then he should have contacted her before or after the function by phone or e-mail. No matter how lightly he was holding her arm, which by the way it didnt look that way, you never put your hands on anyone.
George and his daughter are delusional buffoons. And PT was not owed an apology no matter how you slice it. And he had no business even showing up much less disrespecting the personal space of ANYONE much less putting his paws on them.
I have to admit that I love watching Ramona get a taste of her own vile medicine. Doesn’t matter to me who is delivering it is a pleasure to watch her “squirm” since she has done the same thing to most members of the cast at one time or another.
As for Sonja, please spare me the tears. Chances are her husband made a settlement with her 6 years ago whe they were divorced which probably led to her owning the house in France along with the NY townhouse. That’s some pretty “heavy coin” right there.
She probably “went back to the well” seeking more from him and he said “no” but she chose to make him the heavy as if he could care less about their daughter. I’ll bet he pays for the kid’s education and she receives some monthly renumeration but she has not worked, or sought to downsize her living arrangements, still “living large” to some extent.
And what’s with all these unpaid interns gathering in her bedroom, making her bed and hanging up her clothes when not “introducing” whoever is at the front door? Ridiculous!
Can’t feel too sorry for someone who owns a house in France than cries “poverty”. How many women have had to settle for a whole lot less and managed to make the most of it?
Thank you so much. I hate Sonja and her sympathy card. I always felt there was something that was off. Yes, chances are they did settle. She did better than Luann and most other women in her divorce. A fancy NY town house and a house in France etc… and she blew her money. End of story. The Morgans are a lot of things but I highly doubt that he is some deadbeat father as is painted.
Poverty- she really does not know the meaning of it. As I said before, according to someone on TWOP, when Mr Morgan had cancer and needed Sonja the most, she refused and looked for the next golden opportunity. It was one too golden too far! Aviva, Kelly and Cindy were right when it came to Sonja.
Well said, sahnja shut up sell your homes and down size. You have more than any one like you from nowhere who grew up working class, happy to just get a free meal Ina nice restaurant. You’ve done well , stop embarrassing yourself and smearing the Morgan name, and proving them right that you’re nothing but a cheap common gold digger.
I think in this case, it is her husband who is making the Morgan name look bad. For a man of that kind of wealth to let his ex and daughter worry that much about money is ridiculous.
I know it is hard to sympathize, however, when you lived a life in one area, with your friends surrounding you, you are not just leaving the money behind. You are taking your child out of a school with the only friends she has ever known. You are taking your child and yourself out of your home. (which is hard if you love your home no matter what it is worth). When you move away from your friends, you may not lose them, but you lose touch and the closeness of them. To top it off you are alone, you do not have your partner to come home to at the end of the day. You must drawl all your straight from within, for your child and be the stability, the mom, the dad, and the rock of her life. Not easy when your standing alone and sad yourself. Yes, people go through it all the time, but it does not make it easier when you have money. Change is hard. I understood Romona perfectly when she scoffed at Aviva’s leg comparison. Not only has Aviva had a lifetime to get over it and adjust, it is just a leg. I would lose my leg if you gave me the choice of my husband, my home, my friends, basically my life as I live now.
She’d just be moving to an apt around the corner, her daughter would go to the same school and everything would stay the same, ts just the house. She should be happy she has 2 to sell. They are two ppl they don’t need a full 2nd rate townhouse that’s run down
Absolutely correct on every point. Sonja is a jackass. We are supposed to believe that she was married to a billionaire, but he hasn’t settled with her yet???? And also every woman falls in love with someone 40 years their senior!!! Please, she is a pig!
Didn’t she also lose 7 million dollars to a bad investment in some movie deal? That money had to come from the divorce settlement at the time. She then had to plead bankruptcy which must have left her bank account empty that led her back to the “bargaining table” with a man who settled on her years ago.
Not bad. Two houses, 7 million dollars, and it would not be unusual for Mr. Morgan to be footing the child’s school bills. I doubt he left the child in need.
Wish I had it so good.
Hearing her go on and on about how they were best friends and she loved him and she still does… Come on?!
When sahnja talks about him and their life she still sounds like the girl on the outside with her nose pressed against the glass looking in …….so impressed.
Wow! So true! First of all, the financial settlement is part of the divorce proceedings. Before one puts their signature on the final divorce papers, a settlement is reached. I do not understand Sonja’s claim that she never received her settlement agreement. Until this episode, I always thought that she had “not been paid that settlement.” But instead it seems that she is trying to get MORE, after the fact.
It is clear that Sonja has tried to continue to live the “Morgan Lifestyle” since the divorce. Sonja has not gotten a job, she has played around with party planning and a rediculous toaster oven project. Neither of which can begin to support the lifestyle that she feels entittled to. I do not feel sorry for Sonja, at all!
The whole “intern thing” turns my stomach! These are not interns, these are slaves. I mean, seriously, two “interns” waiting by Sonja’s closet in her bedroom for Sonja to return from her meeting???? Sonja is making a fool of herself!
Yes, Sonja needs to Downsize. Sell the house in France and the NY townhouse. Of course, this is not easy. But, it is her reality. And, as many here have already said, many, many women have left a marriage with far less and have done well for themselves and their children!
Sahnja has a job, it’s called rhony, $500,000 per season
I was gonna say the same thing….
one of the(many) things I like about this site are comments that bring the facts to light. I think you’re probably right about sonja going back for more in the settlement….esp since she lost that huge chunk in the movie deal. I still feel badly for her and like her. she may be the least judgemental of the housewives.
When I got divorce I had a settlement re the separation. It took three years for the divorce and the real settlement because of all the audits and hidden assets. I’m sure that Sonja’s divorce was much more complicated and would take years if her ex wasn’t complying. It took me 4 years just to get a copy of my income taxes and 10,000 in attorney fees. The one that has the money sometime has nothing to loose by stalling and everything to gain if the other party gives up out of need. I wish the system was fair but it isn’t. Even if you get a settlement sometimes enforcing it takes years and money you don’t have.
Yes but she has 2 homes and had 7million from him, that is some of a settlement, and plenty to live on. She blew the 7mil. So either she’s asking for more or the rest. But they had a prenup so If she isn’t contesting it’s open and shut………something still smells funny don’t know what it is
I heard that the movie deal fell through because Morgan backed out because of the divorce and Sonja got screwed. Maybe that is the issue.
I think you are right. That’s probably why, in regards to the lawsuit concerning the movie she refers to herself as “a sitting duck.”
I cannot BELIEVE Sonja thought her ex was going to meet her in person to discuss their settlement. Not sure why she was surprised about what she was faced with at that meeting. I also have no idea why she has a stylist. I feel badly for her. Her life has changed dramatically, but it’s time for her to face the music.
Kelsey got his divorce before he reached a settlement. It does happen. It could be Morgan like Kelsey was in a hurry to remarry and that is why the settlement came after the divorce.
Hate to burst anyone’s bubble, but you can obtain a divorce decree without having a final settlement. Happens all the time. This is especially true of someone wanting to move on with another person. Which I believe is the case in Sonjas divorce. Wasn’t there another woman involved? I have several friends who this happened too also. Now I’m not saying there wasn’t something in place when the divorce was granted, I am saying this possibly wasn’t the FINAL SETTLEMENT big difference.
Agreed Mimi, but it’s not like sahnja hasn’t received anything from Morgan. She has 2 homes, the child is paid for or else sahnja would have said something.
Settlement and divorce do not need to happen at the same time. Remember Camille and Kelsey?
“Ramona brags that she is “honest,” but honesty without kindness is sheer brutality. Honesty doesn’t give one a license to be rude and cutting. I learned that lesson. Ramona, however, seems to relish slamming others, both to their face and behind their backs. With that kind of honesty, I think I’d prefer polite deceit.” OK I REALLY LIKE THAT, AND I WILL BE USING THIS…LOL
PT should apply this to herself while she’s at it. The audacity of this woman is above an beyond.
Sonja needs a nose job. She always looks cross eyed.
I have nothing against George. I probably would spoil my kid rotten if she lost a leg as a child. I didn’t think what Ramona did was appropriate. Kicking him out? Why? I think it was mostly to get back at Aviva. I’m not an Aviva fan by any means, but I think Ramona shouldn’t have taken it out on George. I felt bad for him.
As for Aviva….there’s a lot of projection going on right now. Seems like she’s experiencing post traumatic stress with Ramona. Clearly, something was triggered by St. Barts and anytime she sees Ramona with a glass of wine, she sees her mother stumbling around the house, drunk off her rocker. It’s pretty sad.
Probably true about seeing Ramona with a glass of wine brings back terrible drunky mommy memories, but that hag is 41 years old and has no impulse control. As to kicking George out, I would have asked him to leave the moment he arrived. He was totally inappropriate to argue with the host of a charity and demand an apology for his bitch daughter, over and over and over again. Then chasing Ramona down when she was obviously upset at having to deal with him during her fashion show – he completely crashed the event and disrupted the host and had the nerve to argue with her. TRASH. I can’t believe he called Ramona a Trailer Turd… who do those cretins think they are? Aviva and George are the trashiest people on this show. I always feel like I need a shower after seeing and hearing their tripe.
How exactly is it that this PT person states that she is not the appropriate person to comment on someone’s drinking and then a mere six sentences later she comments on Ramona’s drinking??. This person/thing needs a reality check STAT….I haven’t even finished reading, this is so darn mind boggling to me…..she is a psycho hose beast if ever I have seen one. Please, seek treatment!!
@SH….astroturf frightens me too…..(good stuff, pretty lady….I forget to compliment you….I’m always so insensed by the crazy….esp miz certifiable….she needs to just shut the heck up…the more she talks/writes the worse she looks)
I never in a gazillion years could have ever made Ramona seem sane. Congratulations, PT! You did it!
And I wish I had never read on here about her blinking because it was making me crazy last night! At least we’ll never see PT’s blinking and Vyle’s lizard lip licking on the same screen.
Dang I wish we had the ability to edit our comments. If anything needs editing it’s that first sentence. But then, I’m pretty anal about things like that. I have been known to go back and edit things weeks later if I notice an error.
ha…the weird thing is I never noticed and knew exactly what you meant. guess that comes from most of us being on the same page!
MyThree: When an error is seen, and when there is time, will correct for the commenter. However, have been very short on time the past few weeks! There is a lot going on behind the scenes! TFC!!! SH
I have a problem with Aviva blaming her Mother for her reaction to Ramona and Sonja. She could have easily had said that she lost someone that suffered from Alcohol addiction. With all the baloney Aviva has thrown out there I don’t even know if this is even true about her Mother. I certainly would not have shared or degraded my mother on this show.
You and me both. PT has an excuse for everything.
Aviva, please consider the source if you read these idiotic comments. I still find it hard to believe that anyone on planet Earth would ever or could ever side with the behavior of Sonja and Ramona. Well, except ‘Girlfriend’ – whom I suspect is either Alex McCord (the one you replaced) or that trash can Jill Zarin. You were right on every level and your points were delivered articulately and exactly how they should have been to someone as deranged as Ramona Singer. She is a loose canon, a low class drunk, and a laughing stock. I’m so proud of you for even meeting her alone in public here in New York ( I would’ve definitely opted out, film crews and contract obligations aside). Her very presence is embarrassing here in town, and her friends are as low ranking as she is. I still can’t believe their accents… that’s another story. In these ‘charity’ shots, even the one at Trump Int, I don’t recognize a single one of these women. Aviva, I hope you aren’t feeling discouraged about joining this show. It is hard to believe that people like Ramona and Sonja have ‘fans’ but it’s true. There are some really STOOPID and desperate people out there that actually relate to these nimwits. It’s hard to believe, but these nimwits also vote in November, breed and have children, and their minds are so foggy that they side with idiots and become ‘fans’ because one time a ‘housewives celebrity’ twittered them OMG OMG OMG!!!! It’s so ridiculous. Don’t let their hatred that is spewed here affect you. We all know (real people with real decency and standards) that you are the voice of reason and the shining star of this show. Yes, Ramona and Sonja’s fans are louder, on twitter, etc etc… but that’s because they are… STOOPID. Thank you for setting these women in their place whenever you can. Remember to tread lightly with these two (R&S)… they don’t understand what your logical thinking is all about. Enough said. You have MANY fans Aviva, the fans you’d want.
Back again PT?
Not Aviva. Come on now. Who are you? Another Harry Dubin **friend** gone wild? Or a disgruntled, fired, ex Housewife that has absolutely nothing going on now?
Well looks like PTs given ppl a lot of reason to post comments hasn’t she. Good guess east 74
i have similar suspicions…about this one and some of the new posters……
I like Ramona and Sonja too. If you are secure who you are, you see them as harmless fun.
As for Aviva, well, you can’t fix stupid.
East: If you think you’re gonna find PT Housewife “Fans” on SH, you’re in the wrong zipcode! SH had has PT Houswife’s manipulating persona nailed from day one… the last nail was when PT attempted to make a “DEAL” with SH. You may want to try and find another site that will be much more sympathetic toward you and your unfounded feelings for PT Housewife. SH
East’s comment illustrates everything that is odious about Aviva.
Odious and odorous!!!
Freak.
Oh dahling, bashing people because of their ACCENTS?
Really?
How utterly pedestrian my dear.
Dahling, whatever do you mean?
I see – slamming native new yorkers’ accents… please. They all talk funny (I do too, but I’m Texan lol) but who cares about that? Better than LuMann’s fake Countess accents she lays on from time to time.
I think that bashing people’s accents is just nonsensical. A person’s accent has nothing to do with their education, character and/or likability.
It’s basically scraping the bottom of the barrel for insults – terribly unimaginative and pathetic really.
has east 74 heard georges accent????
While I may not have liked Ramona’s outbursts, I can sort of see the undercurrent from where it comes. She does work hard and she likes to play hard and I really think it was not Aviva’s place to tell her how to vacation. I do believe they were having fun before Aviva showed up. I mean, who asks everyone to thank their flying partner, that they should kiss the ground he walks on and they should have had a welcome banner, etc. Also, regarding that, she is essentially blaming Sonja and Ramona but blaming EVERYONE, IMO. So what if Sonja and Ramona slept together and they were naked. It’s not her business. I think she is jealous of their frienship (however close or not, real or not, etc.). I was kind of angry at Luann for pointing out (at Scary Island) about the changing dynamics but not HER participation in the conversation. All in all, the trip DID change when Aviva came but I do not think it had anything to do with Reid. She felt entitled and expected some big party for her overcoming a fear to get there. It didn’t happen and she was so angry and may have been hyped up from the emotional drama within her body from taking that flight and whatever medication she took before/during the flight. From what I saw, Aviva ruined the vacation from incessantly talking about herself, her anxiety, the flight, the “ME, ME, ME” to the point where Carole got so upset and had to leave the table.
I think Aviva should have just stayed home. It was nice seeing Heather and Ramona partying together and that is what a vacation with friends (for a lot of people) is about.
So what if Ramona likes to drink her wine. She is of age. I can’t believe Aviva blamed Ramona for Sonja’s worsening drinking and actually said it made Ramona look better. I don’t see that. I think Sonja and Ramona have been friends for a long time and they “get” each other in good and bad times and can be friends whether they agree or not and, to me, that’s what true friends do.
They can be immature and maybe not do things that I would do, but I would not call them white trash because they like to party. If that’s the case, there are a whole lot of people in that same category, wealthy and indigent!
Aviva needs to get the stick out of her butt and relax. Maybe some therapy. I don’t know what might help her but she needs to release maybe some anger about her injury and her mother’s alcohol issue, etc. I don’t see that her father is healthy mentally while Ramona and Sonja are not, in Aviva’s eyes. If she kept him in the background, it would be different but she tries to set Sonja up with him and brings him around. He has issues. He says obnoxious things to and about women…at dinner parties no less and she is like, “That’s just Daddy!” WTH? How about trying to be more tolerant of others who are less offensive. In fact, I think a lot of the situations would not have gotten to the extreme (Ramona yelling for her to take a Xanax) if she had not acted so entitled when she arrived to the island.
I, too, was a Daddy’s Girl, but Aviva takes it to a whole other level. He would put me to the point of anxiety attacks!!! I hope she gets some help. Otherwise Reid may tire of being her crutch. Men like to feel needed but this is ridiculous!
Live and let live or bite your tongue, especially if your closet has skeletons!
good comment….and you know the diff between pt and ramona…well one of them….ramona had a tough childhood and yet she’s only touched on it, doesn’t dwell on it, doesn’t ask for sympathy. Instead she took it and turned her life around, got an education, made something of herself and has instilled that work ethic in her daughter. She likely does drink a bit too much, but heck….all of us are doing the best we can…life is tough.
I agree. People who have experienced pain, something that really rocked them to their core, rarely talk about it. You can go through something traumatic, but if you use it as an excuse for everything, people eventually will tune you out.
Losing a leg is traumatic and I losing a parent is as well. I try to think that Aviva’s personality, along with whatever support she received growing up, made it all worse and it’s just who she is now. Dependency on people can make some people more vile. Aviva is dependent on anyone to support her, because she can’t do it herself. She’s not that strong.
Gee, the “sins of Ramona” that she lists just don’t seem to be too horrible to me. What lies did she spread about LuAnn? As I recall, this was a LuAnn story at the beginning of the season which Ramona denied. But, it does back up my theory that LuAnn is using Aviva in her own personal battle against Ramona. Their little truce was tossed to the wind when LuAnn hosted the wine party. Then, she told Aviva, needlessly, about the private conversation all the girls had about Reid going to a hotel. Calling Sonja an airhead? She said it behind closed doors to Mario. Insulting Miami house staff? Missed that episode and the one where she told Aviva to get out of the pool. Still, I don’t think these items deserve such droning on and on and on and on.
I agree with most of what has been said here – so wanted to address something else: will Aviva come back?
Without Aviva, there’s nothing really happening on this show. Bravo will sit down and take a look at what stories can develop with the ladies and probably come to the conclusion that there are none. It’s sad that the show has turned into a 4 against 2 situation and the 4 are clearly, clearly wrong. But what can Bravo do to make the show interesting, with a little less crazy? Is a casting in order? (I say yes, but wonder what Bravo is thinking about).
Bravo is evil enough to try to destroy Romonja’s friendship as a way to drum up business, but I’d like to think R & S would fare better than the NJ nitwits when it comes to being played….unless they agreed to have a falling out for the right price. At this point, I think there’s no line Bravo or these HW’s won’t cross.
I’m not trying to be insensitive but I think that Aviva may have been abused by her father. In Miami he tells his daughter in front of her husband that he thinks she hot and some comment about dating her if she wasn’t his daughter. He tells his daughter to order a really large hotdog and makes a sexual reference. He does not only flirt with but makes disgusting sexual references to his daughter friends even though he prefers much younger women. He tells is daughter that he is dating a black woman who looks just her and then jokes about incest. I’m sure her father has abused a few girls and women. I sure soon some women will come out will allegations against her father. She should have kept him of the show. He might be the reason why her mother had to drink.
What is really disgusting is Bravo showcasing this kind of sickness as entertainment.
I so agree with your post, just didn’t want to say it. Alarm bells went off in Miami.
cns, I also picked up on George’s sexual comments towards his daughter. They are disgusting and beyond inappropriate. They are sick and definitely hint to some sort of incestual fantasies. It makes my skin crawl to listen to this. I am an incest survivor, and find this sort of content to be disgusting and insensitive on the part of Bravo. I also do not believe that all of this horrible perverted behavior on George’s part began only a few years ago, after the death of his wife. Aviva has been a complete disaster this season, but George should never have been allowed on this show. George’s behavior is not entertainment suitable for female viewers in primetime or anytime!Andy Cohen and Bravo Take Note!
I’m totally disgusted by Aviva and her father. I can’t watch them anymore, and will not in the future if they return. Aviva plays the victim card daily and yet she is a major predator just like her father. Carole makes my stomach turn as well but for different reasons. She has no backbone or moral compass.
Predator, how accurate
http://mythicmysteriesmiscellany.devhub.com/blog/572412-raptors-velociraptorinae-and-dromaeosauridae/
“Like troodontids, dromaeosaurids had relatively large brains. Although this does not indicate that they were as intelligent as living birds and mammals, it does suggest that they had the same capabilities as some birds and mammals. The light, agile bodies, long fingers, and raptorial claws show that they were probably effective predators.”
Btw KATEH, my impression of stewardesses did not just come from MPs pilot brother, it came from all my rich male friends who now fly private but used to fly first class and via Concorde. I’m actually embarrassed for the profession and for the handful of decent women working in it. I’m not surprised that someone as emotional, aggressive, and down right disgusting as you worked as one.
Enough, GF! You whine and cry about being attacked, when no one is attacking you. I have never personally attacked you, nor anyone else here. Yes, I have disagreed with your point of view, but not attacked. You talk about many things that you obviously know nothing about. You want other bloggers to believe that you are a “NYC Insider”, even knowing the unpublished net worth of the women! Truly laughable. You sound like a waitress at the IHOP! No one that truly is wealthy or has wealthy friends, makes a statement like the statements that you made above! Funny, you only mention, “Rich Male Friends”…..LOL! Many women also fly private and have also flown on the Concorde, prior to the Concorde being grounded. I am one of them!
THIS IS yet, another attack on Attack on me! You do not know me, nor do you know anything about me. And yes, this time, I attacked you, right back!
Knock it off! Write your nonsense, I will no longer respond to your BS! But, please keep in mind, it is next to impossible for anyone to post on any NYC threads without being in the vicinity of one of your rediculous hateful posts, as you post after nearly each and every post on these threads! And, this blog is NOT All About You! THE END!
I said rich male friends cuz they had the stories not the women like myself. You are crazy now I know why, thanks for filling us in. I feel sorry for you. Why are you so hung up on what I know or don’t . Why do you care and constantly bring it up? Misconstrue everything i say. Your PSYCHO! did you forget Miss SH has endorsed me , so SHUT UP!!!!! You sound pitiful poor woman! Like PT you have not received the therapy you need, get off the site and get it!
I have your back GF… but its not like you need it.
I know, cheers to u!!!!
I’ve been walking around on one leg and a glass of pinot in the other ALL day today to see if I can make any sense out of this mess.
Crippled with a good buzz is how I have to watch this show from now on.
Myself coming from living in generations of in a alcoholic shop of Horrors I see why Aviva is that way. People take on different personas. She was evidentially the Woman in charge of the Family. It’s actually sad and I she may have talked to her Mother that way. As my daughter and I always say the HBIC.
Adiva – Since you obviously read here I will leave you a few comments…
1. I agree honesty without kindness is sheer brutality. Some good examples are calling someone white trash, saying someone is two faced (or as you call it double dealing), judging their behavior by your yardstick while overlooking the same in others. Just a few to think about.
2. Again, I agree with you – you are certainly in no position to judge someone elses drinking. If you have an issue with drinking around you because of your mother’s issues, don’t be around people drinking. It is YOUR issue, not theirs.
3. You say your father is a grown man and you can’t change him. Agreed again. But guess what? You not only can’t change Ramona, Sonja or anyone else you judge to be below the bar you set for them, but you have no right to even TRY to change them.
Grow up Aviva. You may have been coddled by your family and husband your whole life, but people in the “real world” have no patience for it. Stop being so judgemental. You should let other people be concerned with their lives and worry about your own issues – that will definately keep you very busy!
Bravo!! Great post. I don’t think Ramona has done anything wrong, she likes to party hard, who cares, none of Aviva’s concern. Aviva should definately worry more about her anger issues and perverted fatther. Run REID!
that’s the point mayzie….avivia gets so riled about behavior that has nothing to do with her, doesnt harm her and doesn’t harm anyone else. to each their own….if she doesnt like it she can make the decision to stay away….she’s not the booze police after all