September 4, 2012 10:45 am Bravo…
Do you get the feeling that everyone is off their meds this episode? I need a Xanax just watching it, we hadn’t seen until now. Does anyone have a Xanax?
It inspired me, though, I found the title of my next novel – a thinly-veiled roman a clef about six women and a pirate in paradise and the hijinx that ensue. I’m calling it: “Drinking, Lying, Screaming.”
Let’s start with the scream, the one heard round the world. I should never have left the main house that night. I should have stayed. But there was my hair to consider and an outfit change — my boyfriend was waiting. Aviva had arrived in one piece, passed her presents all around, kisses and hugs went back and forth and Reid was thank-you’d and tucked in his room with emails and business. All was well. Jean Batiste made canapés with dip, the sky if I were to step out from beneath the bar and look up was full of stars, the moon was bright. Music floated out from the well-placed speakers, the pinot flowed free in red and white, and happy laughter echoed across the island. The ocean lapped onto Saline beach in what sounded like faint applause behind me.
“I did it!” I thought, and patted myself imaginarily on the back. “I pulled off the hat trick.”
I thought I had merged the crazy lot of us into one $40 million house, seamlessly. A cloudless blue-skied day had melted into a star-filled night. It was perfect. It was ripe for calamity. It was the kind of night where no one expects anything to happen, and so it does. I should have known.
I’m no stranger to the Goddess Fortuna. In ways both good and bad — she could care less — she steers our fate. And she favors the prepared. She sneaks into five-bedroom, three pool, two-guest bungalow, wait-staffed homes when all is calm, and she throws up a clatter. I was unprepared.
But let’s start at the beginning when things are still light and sexy.
Our pirate is back!
How many of you feel bad for our pirate? English is his second language and he is even less fluent in the language of deceit. He looks confused, LuAnn looks tense, Ramona looks like a wolf going in for the kill. She’s relentless, she’s like a dog with a T-bone. And unfortunately for LuAnn — and her cock and bull story — the one thing Ramona isn’t this time, is crazy.
So what really happened, will anyone ever know? Will the Italians ever show up? Wait, rewind, did our pirate just say “body double?” That’s it! It wasn’t him, it was his double, which is as plausible as a group of Italians any day and also begs the question: What does Johnny Depp’s Captain Jack Sparrow double’s double look like? It’s your lucky day, guys, because I found a picture. He looks like this:
Housewife Rule #39:
“Don’t talk on the phone behind the camera’s back.”
Why? Because it will always bite you in the ass. LuAnn forgot the rule. She wasn’t the only one.
LuAnn is like a dog with a boner the way she pursues these Italians and their friendships. I did it Italian-style last night, now I do it French-style. She won’t let up. No one believes her Italian story, not even our pirate when he is beaten into submission by Sonja and says Yes! Yes! It was him. They went out drinking together. Wow, that’s all? What a letdown.
Heather and I can’t believe our luck in this scene, it’s the National Geographic Channel up-close and real, like watching Animal Planet ringside. Here are, move for move, the entire mating repertoire of the Bonobo Chimp. Peacocking and preening and pricking. The Bonobo Chimp organizes its entire social structure around sex. They use sex to say Hello, to resolve disputes, to make up after fights; they trade sex for food and favor. They tongue kiss, perform orally, mutually masturbate, and even have a penis-fencing ritual. They do have sex for pleasure, but most of the time, much like Housewives across the country, they use sex simply to keep the peace. Not surprisingly, the DNA of the Bonobo compares closely to DNA of the average man and woman, matching as high as 98 percent in one study. Bonobos are closer, genetically speaking, to humans than they are to gorillas! I’m obsessed with animal shows. I know, it’s weird.
The Fat Lady Sings
Sonja said it’s not over until you-know-who-sings and someone — no names, not saying names — sang. I said too much already. But before you wrinkle your cute little noses up, hear this. According to the Journal of Sexual Medicine, 46 perfect of woman surveyed claimed to have had a–l sex, so half of you reading this should be all good. According to the same data, these women said it’s easier to reach orgasm, anally speaking, yet the practice, despite it’s being not uncommon, remains taboo. Should it? This might be worth investigating.
Stealing Sun
Let me take a minute here to say that while I might not agree with everything Ramona and Sonja do or say, they are definitely fun and entertaining. They can both drink pirates under the table but they are two decent people. Do we have a lot in common? Yes, no, maybe. But as my fat Italian Grandma Millie always said, “It takes all types to make a world.” That’s how I grew up. I celebrate the differences in people, and then look for commonality. It’s there, with everyone, if you’re willing to look. I always assume, regardless of what we’re wearing or drinking or saying, that we run around most of the time in our own personal hell. We all have that in common.
Meet The Parents
Yes, out on the lawn, there arose a bit of clatter. It’s hard to come late to the party. You’re behind on the jokes, on the drinks, on the stories and spills and falls. It’s hard to catch up. You saw that when we were regaling Aviva by the bar with our tales. She looked out of sorts. It’s like when you get to the New Year’s Eve party right after midnight. Everyone’s kissed, they’re low on champagne, there’s a certain vibe that, well, money can’t buy.
We arrived back from the boat trip later than we had intended because it’s hard to wrangle five women plus drivers here and there. We did not have much downtime. I was getting ready for a date, Lu was showering, Heather was in her PJs, Ramonja were frolicking like nymphets — like the Aphrodite of Cnidus come to life.
We hugged Aviva, when she walked in, and thanked Reid for bringing her. Then she asked us to thank him again. She asked us to thank Reid more times than LuAnn asked us to believe in imaginary Italian friends! When I was married it was my job to do all the thanking and drooling and gushing, not my friends. Even Reid says he doesn’t need that. I think he just wanted all of us to go away so he could work, no?
The scene that launched a thousand screams had back story, I won’t bore you with it. There were phone calls, there were talks behind the camera’s back. No good ever comes of that, we learned that during the alleged blackmail-gate. What you did see, though, was on last week’s show, when LuAnn, Ramona, and Sonja discussed Reid’s arrival. (Remember, I’d stepped out of the room to talk to Russ.) LuAnn said Reid at the house would change the dynamic. (LuAnn had trouble with the truth our entire stay.) Everyone else agreed. Ramona ask diplomat LuAnn to ask Reid to go to a hotel, she deferred to me. For the record, no one ever asked me to ask Reid to go to a hotel. This was a throwaway conversation. It died. It was idle chatter. Maybe it wasn’t nice, but in the end they were all fighting and pointing like Larry, Curly, and Moe over something that was discussed but never happened. Oye.
Class Warfare on the Richest Island in the Carribean
Some of the smartest people I know never went to Vassar, or even to college. Peter Jennings never finished high school and he was one of the most gracious, elegant, and intelligent men I’ve ever met. I’ve met people with enough degrees to paper an entire guest bungalow who have the manners of a jackal. Dangling an impressive resume to belittle someone isn’t like Aviva. I think she’s rattled by her suspicion that Sonja and Ramona have been talking badly behind her back.
Still, there is never a reason to call names. It’s not decent or nice. “White trash” is a derogatory slang term referring to people in this country of a lower social class. It’s a slur — used by upper class whites to refer to uneducated lower class whites. While it may differ from Okie or Hillbilly, it’s still pejorative, and worse — it’s vulgar and inelegant.
Hug Therapy Works!
Sonja is trying hard here. As I watched this scene, I wished I had hugged her. She’s been over-served and over-insulted and she’s hurt.
Healing touch therapy is a gentle therapy that emphasizes heart-centered care and compassionate healing intention. I think it works, because Aviva seems genuinely sorry in the touch therapy session. People do say things they don’t mean in the heat of an argument. I believe that. . .but then, huh?
Aviva had me at “Hello” but she lost me somewhere between “White Trash” and “Rush Limbaugh,” and her reference to his infamous empty apology. Limbaugh wasn’t sorry for calling an innocent young woman a whore and slut, he was sorry his show lost sponsors. And it was arguably one of the nastiest moments in his almost 50-year broadcasting career.
Rush Limbaugh with RHOM’s James Davis aka “Miss Elaine Lancaster”
And So it Goes. . .
In the end, Heather and I had a few good laughs but did not beg anyone to come to St. Barths. Do we seem like beggars? I’ve never begged anyone to go anywhere. And it’s true — it was egregious — I didn’t organize a party, or a red carpet. But it’s because I didn’t have my Oscar dress, it wouldn’t fit on the small plane. Too much crinoline. Plus, I wonder if maybe we all forgot one little thing. This trip was about, um. . .me?
Yet I somehow end up pants-less, refereeing a boxing match between grown women, cursing like a pirate and missing Russ’ rehearsal. I, too, wound up pounding Captain Jack all night, the whiskey, that is.
I’d like to take a moment to remind everyone, again, about the reasons for this trip.
1. I finished the first draft of my book.
2. Russ is playing a blues festival.
3. I invited the girls along to celebrate.
Poll Question: Which of the ladies actually did leave that night, and stayed at a hotel?
If you guessed me, you win! I left dinner to see Russ and I didn’t come back. Russ was staying at the coolest little dive near town, it hadn’t been updated since the 50s. The bed had a mosquito net canopy, the orange walls were faded and peeling. It was beautiful. We contemplated running away that night. We called the house on the hill Alcatraz. When I woke the next morning I had hoped it was all a dream, a nightmare, then I got a text from my producer — “Please return to the house.”
Tune in next week when the ladies make me cry.
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As always, you can buy What Remains here. Contact me on my website here.
Follow me on Twitter here, Facebook here, Pinterest here. Follow my sister (@teresadifalco).You can get the book I was talking about on the boat, titled The Letter here.
NOTE: Will the ladies make Carole cry about her BFFs doomed plane ride to get to their cousin’s wedding on Martha’s Vineyard? DUH… ya just know that the JFK Jr connection was gonna come up somewhere along the line!
RHONY Preview…
I find Carol to be a little PC police-ish, but I do enjoy her writing tremendously. When she satys away from whistle blowing on others opinions and dialogues, shes spot – on perceptive.
I enjoy her writing when she isn’t od’ing on metaphors….
I agree i can only handle so MUCH metaphors. I agree that PT was frustrated and used her education to demean Sonja, i think that’s how REAL NEW YORKER’S DO IT…LOL
What I didn’t understand is when Carole said she doesn’t usually share “that part do her life with friends” when she was talking about her late husband with Heather. Well Girlfirend’s got a mic on and just shared it on national TV. Carole is promoting her interesting and sophisticated life like Ramona promotes her Pino. It’s a soft sell for sure, but how else do random people like myself get close to a member of the Kennedy legacy? I must admit I wish I had her unlimited time to write and her disposable income.
She shared enough to fill a book. I wonder if her memoir would have sold as well had it focused exclusively on herself and the Radziwills.
I have read her book. This book was focused on Her, Her story and her experience. The fact of the matter is that part of her story is that her best friend happened to be Carolyn Kennedy and her husbands cousin and closest friend was John Kennedy Jr. Carolyn and John were a very focul point in their lives and the tragic loss of the Kennedy’s and her husband within a three week period are vitale to her story. In reading “What Remains”, in no way did I get the idea that including the Kennedy’s in this memoir was gratuitis and included to sell books.
While it has been many years since I have read Carol’s book I remember thinking it was a self serving whoa is me, name dropping tome. I was surprised that that I enjoyed her presence on this show. She is a mature woman now ( as am I : ) ) so maybe the me part of life has dwindled somewhat. Please listen to a previous SH poster and tone down the
metaphors. List RHONYS which I would want to bunk with ( favorite to least favorite) on a
vacation. Carol, Heather, Sonia ( no Ramona in sight) Aviva, Ramona. I call the boat if two or more are present.
- Kate, Again, I question the interest in Her story had one of the most guarded, private couples in the world at that time not happened to have been a part of it. Having not read the book first hand I base my opinion on amazon reader critiques, such as one titled, “what remains…..is betrayal.” Your opinion matches many reviews as well.
Hi Meow, Yes, I know about some of these reviews. Actually, I read several reviews prior to reading the book myself. I actually question if, at least some, of these negative reviews were actually written by people that had not read the book. There were some comments made before the book was released.
My take on the Kennedy aspect of Carole’s book is this. She said nothing about the Kennedy marriage. She gave absolutely no “insider information what so ever on them.” She wrote about her friendship with Carolyn and how Carolyn supported her during her husbands illness. She also spoke lovingly of how tender, caring and supportive John was to Anthony. Even when Carole spoke of the plane crash, she was careful to offer only what the experience was like for her and for Anthony. Quite honestly, much more was said about specifics in the news reports at the time. I quite much appreciated the few personal glimpses that Carole shared about both John and Carolyn.
Meow, this is not in reference to your post. I think it is sad that some people take issue when anyone shares a story about people they have known or even places they have been and call it “name dropping.” I often think this is more about jealousy than name dropping. To me, name dropping is quite obvious. Sometimes sharing stories is just that, sharing ones experiences.
On the contrary, she didn’t name drop at all. It was more of a book about handling terminal illness with a loved one. I loved her honesty. She didn’t hold back that sometimes she just didn’t want to be there. That is how it is in real life most times. It was quite a lovely book.
I don’t think Carole is trying to promote her memoir or tribute to JFK jr and Carolyn Bessettte Kennedy which was published in 2005. I do think she is promoting her current projects like everyone else does.
“What Remains,” was not at all a tribute to JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bisette. It was her memoir, focusing on losing her husband to terminal cancer.
If she gets some promotiong for her new book, more power to her!
How many freakin book signings for Tre’s cookbook do we have to be put through? How many times do we have to hear about her cookbooks? This has been going on for several seasons now.
In context of her memoir she paid tribute to John and Carolyn who were there for her and her husband during her husband’s illness. That is my opinion is all. Hopefully Carole will not jump on the cookbook, liquor, and singer bandwagon!
LOL..PJ, I doubt it about the cookbook since she only “cooks” Ramen Noodles!
As for me, I hope that she continues writing, I love her writing style!
Carol is too smart to be obvious about it-the name dropping. I read her book too. Didn’t think she would exploit it for a storyline on a HW show but… looks like that’s exactly what she is gonna do. So am thinking now that she knew the book would sell better if she included her friendship with the Kennedys. No one literally knew who she was. I was sucked in too.
Good ole Vivs PT knew who she was, slobbering all over her like a dirty pig
Of course she was aware of what she was and is doing….i’m guessing she’s sold more than a few copies since she’s appeared on hw’s….
Yep and I am one of them.. totally sucked in. And to be honest I plan on buying her widow’s guide to whoredom book too. Just to see how any names she drops in that bad boy.
lol…i haven’t succumbed yet but there’s still time, baby….
We should get it together and play that drinking or pill popping game with it. Every time The Princess drops trou or drops names.. no no no better yet, send it to the LovelyAmbienLady and let her review it.
oh haile yay-uh…to bofum!
My take on the Kennedy aspect of Carole’s book is that regardless of how prevalent John Jr. and Carolyn appear or how positively and poignantly they are portrayed, every readers’ review I saw referenced them. All mention Carolyn, many John Jr. and few refer to Carole’s husband Anthony (by name). Tragically we can never know if the three, young, beautiful, historically famous subjects involved would have approved. Anyone interested can buy the book through the direct link Carole provides at the end of each Bravo HW blog
seems they all get hyprocritical about what they will and won’t do/say…and carole didn’t disappoint
Delightfully entertaining and perceptive blog as always, except Carole made a mistake here………..”Dangling an impressive resume to belittle someone isn’t like Aviva.”
NO that’s her Carole!
Carole reminds me of one of those people on that show Oddities. They stroll into the shop looking for unusual items for their art. “im an artist…I make sculptures out of pooh. What can you sell me for under 2000 dollars to go with this statue of Elvis?”. I can barely stay atop the story as I am instantly figuring out these peoples bills. Gas? About 200/ mo….rent? 3000…. Etc. How the heck do they do it? Im about to drive to 4 different stores collecting the cheapest prices for school supplies.
They married (and/or divorced) rich men.
As for the show oddities, those women in particular do not look the golddiggin part. Im thinking trust fund kids…nothing better to do. I dont say this to be mean but they are not the types to snag a rich man. Housewives, yes absolutely. Most of those women dont have college educations, or any discernable income on their own aside from Bravo welfare checks. But its funny we are seeing all these products….I mean they ALL are hawking stuff! Must not be so rich after all!
“Aviva had arrived in one piece” bahahhahaha Carol you done it again.
Thought it was funny that Aviva used Limb-baugh as a reference.
Yes! good one!
Just for you!
tee hee. Maybe next time PT expects a party someone should invite the Hoff. Everybody Limb-o
I hate addressing this again bc the sex talk/acts really annoy me, but 46 percent has got to be waaay high…unless the interviewees were porn stars and prostitutes…and I”m thinking carole gave herself up on that one….yech….myself….I remain happily in the majority.
I was wondering about that myself, like why would a woman even want to do that?
yuck
exit only….
The 46% seems really high to me, too. But, I think sex surveys are always biased because of the type of person who is willing to participate in a survey. I sure wouldn’t.
I can’t believe that Sonja would get down like that. That’s just nasty. If a guy wanted action like that at, say, The Moonlite Bunny Ranch, it would cost him extra and not all of the “working girls” are willing to do that. And Sonja gives it up for free. He didn’t even have to buy her dinner.
yes, YES exactly….I even recall reading abbreviations for what call girls will and wont do and there were very few who’d go that “route” if you will….
I remember reading a blog written by a working escort and they mentioned that the back door activities are not offered as much and are much more expensive because a lot of johns don’t know what they are doing and can damage their ability to make money. Many people have a warped sense of sexuality based on some pornography which is either staged or exaggerated. Some escorts also don’t want to cross that boundary with johns, like some escorts won’t kiss a john because that act is more intimate than standard intercourse.
But no, while I’m a ‘live and let live’ kind of person, I’ll only agree to that I get to return the favor!
Carol,
We get it. You are a democrap. No need to keep hammering that home in every episode or blog. I realize it is an ABC “journalists” prerequisite and stuff but geeesh. We no kir bout yer politick.
Love,
Made
Yeah. I threw up a little in my mouth at her reference to Sandra Fluke as an “innocent young woman”. Barftastic. A 30 year old woman who can’t shell out $10 for birth control, but can afford European vacations gets NO sympathy from me.
Bam!
WOW…I’m walking away from this…BTW I AM A DEMOCRAP…A DAMN PROUD ONE…
Its OK JD. You are allowed to be whatever you want to be. I just get annoyed when “journalist” piss their integrity out the window by ramming their political affiliation down our throats. Fox news Repugnantcan “journalist” can be just as bad the other way. The thing is, if they were doing their job properly we should never know their affiliation.
Thats right, Made. Its like these journalists and “celebrities” think they are schooling us. Knock it off Carole. My opinions are thoughtfully shaped by my moral beliefs and life experiences. Not yours.
I always thought that she was a writer, NOT a journalist. But isn’t there some sort of ethics violation, shouldn’t journalist just report the news, without inserting their opinions or political affiliation. I guess i’m a bit like Carole, i’m sorry i can’t and won’t date a republican…LOL
Carole is no longer a journalist and on RHNY she is speaking as a private citizen. Personally, I do not see her as pushing her policial views on anyone, simply stating a thought. For some of us, our politics are part of who we are, and at times, a snippet of that belief system might just come out a bit. By the way, I know some Repub’s that also hate Limbaugh!
I just think its silly when a HW thinks that anyone cares about her political point of view. The fact is once someone signs on to be on these shows, it shows a clearly damaged thought process to begin with . so… She just needs to just zip it with that crap since it is an election year and I doubt very much Obama wants or needs a HW’s endorsement.
For the good of her party she needs to can it.
I’d rather hear her political opinions (since this is a reality show about them) than the numberous other boring things others talk about: how much they spend, shopping, drama, shit stirring. I just adore her. And I adore you too made, just sayin.
Numerous*
Although I could have left it, therefore standing as a mind numbing amount
awwww Thanks Goldlion. Yeah I guess you are right I mean really how many times can we watch these women get needles stuck in them?
I don’t think Carole was ever a journalist. She was a producer.
Agreed.
While you are right about the politics, I’m not sure she means that when she says “ABC News.” I think she’s just stating a fact. I don’t think she harps on it. Also, don’t they tape these confessionals two or three times during the course of a season (that’s why we see Teresa in that gawd-awful eagle feather dress all the time). So maybe they are just cutting pieces of one conversations and inserting them where Bravo thinks they fit into the episode?
She is very very proud of her democratyness. Making the big deal about it with the guy in the bar date was my first clue. I say we play a drankin game with her for the rest of the season, anytime she lets us know in no uncertain terms her party affiliation(and ABC job security should she ever need to go back-cause its like a rule n stuff) we all take a shot.
I’m in but can I pop a hydrocodone….I don’t drink
That’s exactly what they do, and that’s also how they “exaggerate” people’s characters for a certain season. Carole is the journalist, democrat known for being associated with the Kennedy’s. They repeat the audio in which she talks about that (in one interview) and repeat it as much as possible throughout the season anywhere it will fit.
Either Carole missed the boat completely about the racist undertones of the term “white trash” or she is doing massive amounts of backpedaling for her friend PT. Why white trash PT? Why not just trash? Unless you assume that people of color are trash outright and therefore feel the need to differentiate when calling white people names? Surely you wouldn’t have that outlook now would you? That would be very bad. Carole can knock off the smoke n mirrors mumbo jumbo about the hillbilly thing because that is NOT the objectionable connotation of the term “white trash” I know its prolly gonna set her ample teeth on edge for me to school her on political correctness but someone has to let her know to cut da crap.
O Made, you are so right. Sometimes PC officers get caught in their own game. Kinda like when a cop gets busted for growing pot. I put Carole under citizens PC arrest!
Right. Trash is trash, regardless of race, color, or creed. To put “white” in front of “trash” is to imply that being white and trash is worse than being plain old trash. How did this racial slur fly completely under Carole’s PC radar?
Whadda ya want to bet it flies under Andy’s too. This is because PT knew better than to call them White Trash Lesbos.
IM afraid that that one line”white trash” is going to be the zinger that gets PT where she wants to be…….called back!
I think you may be right on this one! I don’t think this zinger will be going away any time soon!
lol on the “ample teeth”…my pet peeve w her and PT both…orthodontics didn’t exist in the sixties?? what?….with those privileged backgrounds you’d think they’d have that corrected
I don’t know about Aviva, but Carole said she grew up in a working class family and probably didn’t have the money to change her teeth. Maybe it’s an American thing, but I notice from traveling in the world that people (of all classes) don’t generally get hung up on making their teeth super bright and straight.
Granted there are several instances in which fixing the alignment of teeth is necessary, but I don’t understand how people in the U.S. spend thousands on making their teeth an unnatural shade of white, while they eat crap and drink too much and their eyes are bloodshot yellow. (NEVER trust a person whose teeth are whiter than their eyes!) And don’t get me started on the mandatory removal of wisdom teeth in the U.S – many times this is not required and causes serious complications!
(FYI: I’m an American, born and raised, who travels, so I can say this.)
As a girl a little older than Carole, from a working-class Midwest family, we all had braces in the early 70s.
Definitely not only for the privileged.
We were raised by a working single mom….lower middle class and she managed braces for all of us.
When I was growing up, just a couple of years older than Carole. Braces were usually worn when kids kneeded them to correct their bite or another medical issue. They were not for a couple of barely crooked teeth. People did not get veneers and whitening as an every day service, like many do today.
Frankly, I am so damn sick and tired of hearing women tear other women down for the slightest (in the viewers perception) imperfection. Are we becomming so accustomed to people with plastic surgery, cosmetic dentistry, injections and the likes, that we can no longer appreciate a natural beauty? By that I mean a women that takes good care of herself, stays in shape, keeps her mind fit as well as her body and accepts getting older as part of a life well lived?
I am one year younger than Carole and I wore braces from 1976 to 1978. I got them when I was 12. I didn’t know anyone who had braces “in the 1960s” — we were barely out of kindergarten. I do think the reason Carole didn’t get them was finances. Braces were expensive and you had to wear them for years! Once she was working, she could have gotten them, but braces and TV don’t mix unless you are on the Brady Bunch.
Whiter teeth make you look younger, healthier. I dont like the blinding white though. I dont mind Caroles teeth but she definitely benefits from some makeup.
I live in the US and I didn’t realize that removing wisdom teeth was mandatory.
Me either. Perhaps its just the anesthesia that is mandatory in the U.S.? It can be funny. Check out this silly American kid.
I wish it were mandatory because my darn inconsiderate wisdom teeth didn’t decide to try to come in until I was older and it was a nightmare trying to have them out. My oral surgeon only successfully got two of them out and finally, after two hours, gave up on the other two and told me I would have to go into the hospital to have them taken out. Your first clue that I have done that is when you hear the news reports that a very hot place has frozen over.
I guess you all are lucky because in the area I grew up, most dentists would refer people to get their wisdom teeth to be removed, regardless of whether or not they caused a problem. One particular dentist warned me that everything but the kitchen sink would happen to my teeth, but years later, nothing has happened. I am wary of unnecessary work, especially when anathesia is involved.
Again, some people have problems with impacted teeth, but I’ve had so many issues with doctors/hospitals billing for work that wasn’t done, that it’s hard to trust something without getting a second opinion.
LadyJ – Totally agree about the blindingly white teeth! So over it. Between that and the veneers, people are walking around looking like they have a full set of dentures!
Carole did not grow up “privileged”…
lol well PT’s daddy was too busy taking advantage of Mary Lue Retton and her mommy was a slush so prolly couldn’t even find the orthodontist’s office. Carole grew up in pretty dismal conditions to hear her tell it. I think I remember sumpin about lots of broken down cars in her yard and such. Warshin up in the creek… and all that jazz.
all those broke down cars are the definition of……nm…..but adult orthodontics exist…..
She prolly too skird to go… bless her.
Invisalign
OMG you guys. I like Carole just the way she is. Who are we to judge her teeth and whether or not her family had enough money to fix them and why she hasn’t done so as an adult.
lol @ who are we to judge.
LOL!
Just wanted to make sure you knew were you were.
usually I just lurk, but I feel that Carole is a bit out of place on this show, so I am protective of her. (I wonder why there is no opportunity to reply to your last comment, Made?) I promise I won’t ask what PT stands for…
Because that’s what we do. That’s what makes us us.
and that’s what makes it fun…just be nice to my Carole
Glad you are here KGR. I am being nice to carole by talking about her. Mana of the famewhores and all dat. If you have been lurking long enough you know that silence is what we kill the ones we are done with. But lots of people like Carole. I like some parts of her too. I actually DO like her mouth. Her big ole teeth make her kindly purdy when she is being facetious in her talking heads. I think she is funny.
MP: KGR has been around quite a while. I’m smelling quite the BS-er! TFC! SH
well I do declare
KGR: You’ve been around SH long enough to know this: these “reality” show women sign up and get PAID for their appearing on their “reality” show. Which makes them eligible for “judging”… whether it’s their teeth or their money. It’s great that you like Carole. SH
Point taken. I think it’s easier to judge plastic people than it is to judge the ones that look pretty close to natural. Trust me, I have very little respect for most of these women and don’t even watch NJ or ATL anymore. Although I did catch Vancouver….speaking of plastic people…interesting!!
I am with you, KGR, I no longer watch ATL, haven’t for a couple of seasons. I flat out cannot tolerate any of those women! I sort of liked Phaedra, but the rest of them are a complete waste of my time. If any of the women of NJ stay, I will not be watching NJ, next season. NJ is so full of hatred, selfishness and unhealthy competition.
I really like NYC the best. This year I am truly enjoying Heather and Carole. It is nice to see REAL women, doing the best they can. This is what I expected and sort of what we saw during the first season until the HW’s realised that creating drama meant more air time and they Really, Really, cared more about Air Time than anything else!
Do you really think Carole looks natural? I don’t. I love her but I think she looks very botoxed and filled. She and PT look the most plastic to me of the RHONYC.
correct alignment isn’t just cosmetic….
How would Carole’s overbite be corrected? Her entire upper jaw sticks out way farther than her lower jaw. Looks like by at least a couple of inches. Would braces correct that? I wouldn’t think it would. It almost looks like they would have had to either make her upper jaw smaller or make her lower jaw bigger.
they usually do remove a few teeth to allow for overcrowding…..
I know my parents took out a loan to fix my sisters teeth. It was a big deal in the 60′s and my father was an OD. I know by the time I had my kids insurance covered most of it and it was only a year or two not the ordeal it was in my day. Priorities I guess.
Finally watched this episode starring Caroles teeth and I like them. I like big teeth. I said it. But geez have you all seen the cost of braces today? Shop around. First ortho quoted 6K….went back to ortho who did my older daughters teeth….little too far away….4K. Insurance pays about half. Most docs take payments thank God.
What am I missing? Carole said that “white trash” was vulgar and uncalled for. I think that she has designated herself as the name calling police for this season of NY, but she did say/imply that it’s wrong.
She did say it was wrong but she glossed over the actual reason WHY it was bad.
How unfortunate. She did go into more detail about the Indian vs Native American situation a couple of episodes ago, but I guess she dropped the ball on that one. Maybe she assumed that more people would know why it’s wrong. I do get the impression she’s not trying to completely sell out Aviva, and Heather did mention in her blog about how there’s two sides to Aviva. I guess they are starting to form their alliances before the reunion.
Carole has been handholding PT from the beginning, annoyingly, and she will probably do so during the reunion.
Maybe she was stumped and didn’t realize that PT didn’t have a leg to stand on with that reference or maybe she cut PT some slack since she was hopping mad when she said it.
Zing!
Oh Snap! You’re killing me LMFO!
LMAO! So wrong, yet so right!
I agree…she said it was wrong. I did not see her gloss over this issue. I must admit, I have always thought that the term white trash was ugly. But, I am pretty uninformed as to the origins of this term, and I am well traveled and have lived all over the word.
Sometimes I do think that some people really try too hard to read between the lines and read the minds of the HW’s, and then imply their own perceptions. Can you even imagine what it would be like to have your every word, watched and read over and over and then dissected? And….no questions can be asked for clarification.
However, I do believe to imply that somone is racist, is a very, very serious accusation. Not something to charge on reading a sentence or two that has many options for interpretation.
I am saying that PT is the racists for saying it and Carole is the racist sympthizer and apologist.
We do watch and read and dissect. Its kinda what we do here. And its also kinda what the HWs should have anticipated by signing up for the show. For them to think otherwise at this point is just pure ignorance.
I enjoyed her blog till she got to “Rush Limbaugh” comment, I say again, I do not need Carol or Miss Andy to force feed me propaganda. I find it distasteful what Rush said, it should not be cheered, but I find it even more distasteful that these same people had no problem saying vile things ripping conservative woman apart, applauding loudly. The very last people I would be getting any political knowledge from would be Miss Andy and any of the housewives, Totally agree Madepiley, Said before I am picky about where I get my propaganda!
lol. Exactly.
I am neither a journalist nor a HW and I just want to say, I hate Limbaugh!
And now, after last night, I have begun to truly enjoy ripping TP, Oh, wait, that is PT, apart!
But, I stand by my girl Carole!
I understand Kate. By all means. I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Now here is how I see Carole and her name dropping ways (after reading the book AND watching the show) she gets irritated with LuAnn’s less than stealthy sport of name dropping because while The Discountess is playing checkers Carole be playing chess.
LOL…Yes, I will agree that the lesser “Royal,” is wayyyyy too obvious with her Title Toting and name dropping…….my blood boiles each time somone is mentioned and she says…”I know the family.” I mean….who the H cares???
Exactly – many countries abolished or would not allow royalty to rule because of the terrible things that have happened due to their rule. Not that democratic states are perfect by any means, but oligarchy is never a good thing, darling. Also, the so called elites in European countries are often those who are not royalty, though one can make the argument that they have solidified their positions through them, idk.
In all fairness, Aviva brought up Limbaugh. Carole was responding to Aviva’s pea-brain comparing her apology to Samonja to his.
Spot on!!
I enjoyed Carole’s beautifully written blog. It is her perspective, we can choose to agree or not agree, but she has a right to her thoughts and her perception.
I would perfer not to have to read about anyone’s political point of view here. Once it starts it is impossible to control. For the record, I do believe that Limbaugh was wait out of line with the Sandra Fluke comments. But, I think that Limbaugh is pure garbage! So there, yes, I added my point of view on this one too!
Well said – I think that too many people put too much weight on what “celebrities” (and I do use that term lightly especially when it comes to reality shows) say about politics and too often the environment becomes extremely toxic. (Have I used the word “too” too much?)
if you talk to your gynecologist..doing it “that” way is extremely bad for you..Absolutely terrible for the “parts down there”. I am not making a comment about anyone’s lifestyle..not judgement, but medically, it has consequences. It is sad for a lot of people that it is harmful to the body even when they are in a committed relationship. They shouldn’t be talking about it like it is fun and does nothing, on national tv..but what else is new.
Well alls I know is I had a really unpleasant incident with pop rocks getting up in my back door once. But no lasting medical issues.
Dang! One can only admire the fine motor skills that made it happen…eeek!
Twas merely just a happy accident
I don’t recommend it.
I will take your word for it. I’m not good at multitasking anyways:p
bahahahaha.
Spit my coffee laughing at Pop rocks! Is that what Sonja was up too?
makes me want to warn others about another common mistake….but then I don’t wanna give up too much on ms SH’s site…..doesnt involve the back door….
wow the possibilities of pop rocks are limitless!
I hadn’t been following NY too closely but watched last night. I have to say, Carole is a great addition. Maybe she’ll turn awful but I like what I’ve seen so far!
Not to be gross, but how long did Heather stay there to anal-lyze (couldn’t resist) the process?
Doggy style doesn’t mean you’re going in the back door, right?
in one of sonja’s talking heads she said something to the effect of doing it the old fashioned way……”doggie style”…..
The same thought crossed my mind. How did Heather ass-certain (couldn’t resist) that the pirate was in fact plundering Sonja’s booty.
What the H is she doing prowling Sonja’s bedroom?! Peeping Tom or cat burglar? Didn’t Heather say she had a bedroom in the guest house anyway?
Arrgh Matey! It’s only natural for a pirate to capture a booty!
yo-ho….yo-ho….a pirate’s life for me….
Butt Pirates of the Caribbean:
Ahoy! So twisted lol! I believe Carlos Mencia did a version as well!
I was thinking that – how would they know unless they stayed to confirm? To your second question, yes.
Actually doggy style doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going in the “back door.” It simply means the position doggies do it in… and I can guarantee dogs get pregnant the same way humans do so you can go in the “front door” in that position too.
Hallelujah! I was wondering when that factoid would emerge! Heather Holla was ass-uming it was a back door encounter!
I think Heather might be wrong in her ass-essment of the ass-ignation.
Assblolutley!
We need to confirm if Heather was wearing her Groucho Marx glasses at the time of her reconn-ass-ance mission of patrolling the extra guest rooms for no legitimate purpose.
laughing so hard, i got nothing, you all rocked it with anal- y zing and booty.
oh not in my book of sexual definitions….it’s just an alternate position for the normal orifice penetration
Sadly I missed last night. I am exhausted after reading Carole’s dissertation. Thought I was gonna like Carole but she is flying way too high and sophisticated for this lowly southerner. Granted, I like slowly flowing prose and lots of symbolism and a few scholarly references, but that just wore me out.
I’m with you on Carole’s blogs and even though I am south of the Mason-Dixon line I am barely south of it so I’m not a true southerner. She just goes on and on and on and on and on. I really try to get through them but she gets so caught up in the fluff that she completely dilutes the substance. It’s s shame because I really would like her to just stick to the substance because I think she could really boil it down to the nitty-gritty.
I feel a need to take Carole’s opinion piece and diagram it like in English class or take out all of the superfluous analogies and distill the language. But that is just working too hard. I know she is supposed to be an excellent writer but I get the feeling she just dashes off something without critiquing.
In grad school we called it self conscious writing; when a writer dilutes the authenticity and transparency of a piece by getting in the way. The blog becomes more about Carole’s own abilities rather than the subject she is writing about. good Lord that has to be one of the most boring bits I’ve ever posted. it’s late and I need an Ambian.
I am Switzerland baby!
I love how this chick writes. I don’t even watch the show I just read her blogs.
“I think she’s rattled by her suspicion that Sonja and Ramona have been talking badly behind her back.” Ahh……. finally ONE with eloquent skills! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I like her blogs. She actually seems like a pretty cool, genuine chick. I WILL say, though, that her lecture about using “Native American” instead of “American Indian” was way off base and showed that she hadn’t been in school for a long time. The world tends to change its mind about what is or isn’t offensive, and in recent years MANY indigenous people living in the U.S. have come out and said they prefer to be called American Indian instead of Native American. For instance: http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/nc-american-indians/5526
She speaks with such authority about “Native Peoples” but she should do a bit more research.