POSTED FEBRUARY 9, 2012 10:55 pm
UPDATE FEBRUARY 10, 2012 10:30 am
Dr. Drew’s team at HLN has issued the following “Editor’s Note”…
*Editor’s note: HLN cannot confirm the allegations made by Taylor Armstrong in this interview.
…after the blurb re Shana’s appearance on last night’s Dr. Drew show:
Taylor Armstrong afraid husband would kill her
On Thursday night, HLN’s Dr. Drew sat down with Taylor Armstrong, cast member from “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills”. She had a revealing look at her life after her husband Russell’s tragic suicide, as well as the abuse she says she has endured her entire life.
“My daughter saw and heard more than I thought she did,” Armstrong told Dr. Drew. “I am concerned this cycle may go down in the family again and I don’t want that to happen, so I am having conversations about it. She saw the verbal – not the physical, thank God.”
Armstrong stated that she wants her 5-year-old daughter Kennedy to have a positive image of her father, but claims that one day while she was trying to emphasize that point, her daughter said, “Why would you miss a boy that screamed at you all the time?”
Later, Dr. Drew asked Armstrong how people are to truly understand the desperation and fear she expressed on the show.
“It came out on the show this year that there was abuse going on,” Armstrong said. “I think I went crazy. I was so freaked out by the fact all of this would come out on television, and what was then going to happen to me. I wanted the cameras to keep him from getting out of control. I didn’t want the world to know what was happening.”
Dr. Drew inquired, “So the fact it was all coming out, you thought he would beat you even more?”
“I thought he might do something really drastic … [like] kill me” Armstrong replied. “He told me several times, ‘I’m afraid I’m going to kill you one day’, because he would get so out of control with me, and it was like a loving thing he would say days after a bad experience.”
Dr. Drew told Armstrong, “’I am afraid I’ll kill you’ is not what someone says that loves you. That’s what a not-well person tells you.”
*Editor’s note: HLN cannot confirm the allegations made by Taylor Armstrong in this interview.
Taylor Armstrong talked to Dr. Drew’s HLN show about the aftermath of her abusive marriage and estranged husband’s subsequent suicide.
In talking with the TV doctor, Taylor admitted that she feels like a “scared little girl” because of the abuse she suffered and everything that has happened since Russell Armstrong’s suicide back in August last year.
I was switching back and forth from Project Runway and Dr Drew, some of it was live interview but I missed most of what was said. A couple of times I thought Dr Drew wasn’t quite buying everything she said, but I would have to see the whole thing to really judge
Taylor claims she is about to release her medical records on her facebook page in a few minutes….. For all of us haters. I cant wait to see this shit.
It is VERY easy to create fake medical records. She doesn’t even need a doctor for that!
WTH! He had poor impulse control and it didnt matter if the cameras were there? Really Traylor?!?!?! So is that why he saw that segment on RHOBH where he gouged your eye out? oh wait… WE DIDNT and HE DIDNT.
WHO IS PAYING THE RENT ON THAT FANCY HOUSE is what i wanna know
Her “supportive’ frans
all 5 of them
JMHO, but there is probably a short sale on the horizon. Depending on the lender, she can stay there mortgage payment free for quite awhile.
she is renting she dosnt own any homes
Perhaps this is why Lisa conveniently “downsized’ So when the fit hits the shan “Sorry Tray, no room for you!”
MP that is too funny
LOL, It’s a great response!!! She’s clamimg to have alot of law suits because of him? Maybe she’ll have to move into a This woman gets 2 million a show or season???
Who’s paying the exorbitant attorney fees?
I most certainly am NOT!!! I don’t even know her!!
Seriously, I find Dr. Drew to be smug, and like Dr. Phil, too quick to want to jump to a forty second diagnosis/treatment plan. It really is not their jobs, nor any of the other media outlet shows, to drop any bombs on their guests, regardless of how despicable they may be. Imagine the response from other PR flacks–My client isn’t coming on here because of the way you treated X.
No, that job belongs to the lawyers who will be questioning her in depositions, hopefully from here ’til Doomsday, and playing video snippet after video snippet from show after show pointing out the contradictions/inconsistencies/outright lies she has told. Her comeuppance may not be as quick as we might like but, unless she can weasel out of the MMR suit on the damages issue [1.5 million is punative and not related to the actual damages MMR sustained], it will come. And the record will be full of her inconsistencies, which is probably why she has moved for a protective order to keep it all under wraps, win lose or draw.
You are so right about the PR flack and it makes learning the “news” from TV shows very suspect. Even the hard hitting news info show are suspect if they continue to use doc no socs as legite doctors…..Think about any of the docs on TV…all of them have credibility issues especially with their peers.
who: Exactly! Interesting that she has a motion pending for the protective order. Unleash the lawyers on her… these “professional” interviewers are playthings for Shana. Let the lawyers take care of her… now THAT is a show that I would watch!! TFC!! SH
So, what exactly is this protective order for? To keep the details of the lawsuit secret? To keep someone away from her? I’m confused!
Willy: The motion for the protective order is to keep anything she says in the upcoming MMR depositions under wraps.
It may also be to keep ALL of the info re the MMR suit ‘protected’ and not for public viewing… not sure on keeping it ALL under wraps, but will check. TFC!! SH
Willy: I haven’t looked for it in a few weeks, but when it was filed it was not available for viewing. I surmise it is in the nature of a motion to seal the record to keep future paperwork, depositions, other discovery, etc., private. “It will damage my client to have her finances revealed to the voracious internet wolf-pack hungry for its prey!”
Let me get this. If she is forced to tell the truth under oath or MMR reveals the truth, it shouldn’t be made public? What happened to the truth will set you free?
Yes, and she sure didn’t care about the public viewing her on a reality show and claiming abuse on camera. Now, all of a sudden, she doesn’t want attention from the public?
SH: Have you ever seen HLN put that disclaimer up before an interview? I haven’t. HLN interviews all types of “sketchies”, slinging various tales and I’ve never seen them cover their asses (“Take what you’re about to hear with a big ole’ grain of salt”) like that.
I don’t know if you followed it, but during the Casey Anthony Trial, her parents threatened to sue people left and right (formers Lawyers, people who had worked for them that they’d fired, and on and on…..), but that didn’t stop them from coming on HLN, nor did HLN *ShanaDisclaimer* them.
kac: Have never seen it before. Interesting that Dr. Drew’s publicist, Val Allen, was commenting on SH… and then the “disclaimer” was added on HLN. TFC!! SH
Your absolutely right, I’ve watched every Nancy Grace & Dr Drew show about tot mom (Casey Anthoney) And I watched the trial I couldn’t get away from it,, But I never saw anything like that.. Good Catch.
He WAS buying it , only a few statements that she made seemed to raise questions in his mind. He should have done some reseach about her before his interview,from sources other than her PR team or the sockless one. As usual , some more of her stories changed again, and these “conversations” she says she has had with Kennedy about Russell’s death made me sick. What really burned my arse was him calling all of those that disagree with the validity of her claims “haters”. I am not a hater, but I do despise liars and frauds who hurt people and profit from this type of behaviour and exposing them for what they are is what normal people feel , and what should be done! Shana banana is a fake and Dr Drew either you are stoopid or you’ve been had.
What grown assed professional man refers to anyone as a “hater?” He is a gooofy hack and his sockless friend is a disgusting quack.
I don’t know, that name ‘hater” is way overused. It doesn’t even make any sense, it’s like, i know i am but what are you, kidstuff kinda thing.
Yeah you wouldn’t expect an older educated professional to use such a juvenile term.
Bravo is really to blame for this circus, if they weren’t so money hungry I don’t think all this would have played out this way. It is really getting out of hand now. In a way I’m kinda tired of Taylor and her lies, but I can’t help but coming on here every darn day to see what happens next. Oh I do have a life trust me, I just made this part of it.
Reminds me of Big Pun and my days of hangin out with thugs drinkin 40s… Just to make my folks squirm. Funny, i thought “theyre just jealous”/”haterade” was what you tell to ugly, dumb, nerdy, insecure, annoying personality, other socially retarded kids to make them feel better about why everyone hates thrm.
Yes Kas, I got the same impression and was shocked at the last minute Tayliar told him she has worked at the shelter for women for 6-7 years. He went on further to say the “haters” out there are victimizing her all over again. I was screaming at the TV at both of them, that they were victimizing me with all their BS! For some reason, I don’t think they heard me, lol. .He did not seem well prepared for the interview in some ways- because he didn’t appear to have the facts-time lines, etc I almost felt he was trying to make anyone who did not give Taylor their 100% support, they were all classified as “the haters”. Which I promptly tweeted him, I was not a HATER, I was just not stupid!. I did notice a change in Taylor that she recognizes, she can’t sit in a corner and claim abuse, that she had her ownership in her role and her abusive roles which was not discussed at all. But I felt like she is finally getting it that most of the public is not going to support her until she comes clean. At least the concept seems to be penetrating now where she will go after the show… only time will tell.
Agree that we are only responding like normal people. I hate it when people play the “haters” card, it’s so childish and snotty and lazy. It sounded pretty dumb coming out of his mouth and I wondered if that was his professional opinion. We are more like debaters than haters and I would expect Dr. Drew to realize that and point it out in order to encourage open and honest debate, not to placate her by calling us haters. We are asking for answers so we can debate what we saw, what she says happened, and what the truth really is, and Shana is not giving us those answers. Don’t go on a reality show if you don’t want to deal with the reality of reality, lady.
Agree about it burning the arse, too.
It makes me crazy they classify us as “further victimizing abuse sufferers by not believing their claims–” NO! We dont believe shana’s claims (bc of her inability to tell the truth and lack of proof). When people on SH (incl. myself) share about abuse theyve suffered, we are quick to believe, support and empathize/sympathize… Normal people dont lie about being abused. Only sociopaths and crazies do that
Now that she has had a taste of how everyone kisses her arse because she was abused, she will forever be abused by everyone who she comes in contact with (in her eyes). After all, we non-believers were referred to as abusers too. She LOVES being the victim! She gets lots of pity and attention and people give her things (the ladies on RHOBH have given her money to help her out, they admit they did).
Notice when Dr. Drew was talking about the “support” she was getting from “her fans”, he said to her “You get a pass.” She very excitedly said “Exactly!”.
That is the new thing now. If you disagree with someone or something you are a “hater.”
Here’s what I think, I watched the Casey Anthony trial religiously, I was obsessed with it, after the not guilty verdict, it came out that the defense team was checking on internet sites to see what people were thinking, what was truthful, what was unbeilvable and worked their case using the angle of what the buzz was on the internet, I believe one of the reasons we are seeing the reason for a book being written about her abusive relationship, to 1) How to avoid an abusive relationship 2) How to not be the scared little girl who picked bad relationships) 3. financial security, ways to make sure you don’t end up broke like she did (n’t), etc, etc,
Her attitude about why she wrote the book has gone from the abuse talk to talking about the book in a different way, even her attitude about his family and how now they have suffered a loss has changed. Her pr team is monitering sites, such as this one, (yes Polly, I didn’t forget about you) and other sites to see how best to “clean” her up before she goes on these more recent shows. It isn’t working for me, it’s not going to change my mind, but what they are hoping for is for the ones dangling in the middle without a strong opinion either way about her to now validate her and believe in what she is doing to increase book sales and change everyone’s opinion about Shanna Shana Lynnette Huges Taylor Ford Armstrong.
They keep showing clips of her mental breakdown so she can say, I was breaking, I was under tremendous pressure to keep my abuse out away from the camera and I knew the two were going to merge and I was so afraid. Well Shana we saw Russell’s face when you and he were turned away from the white party, In the limo after Russell had found out that you really were telling the women that he broke your jaw, he beat you up, WE could see the lightbulb turning on , WE could see his sadness that is wife was the ones behind the accusations that he was abusing you . People may not ask you the right questions to get to the truth, but even if they did we know you well enough to know you will deflect and alter your answers to fit the question. We have heard ALL of your variations on all of the lies you have spoken publicly and NONE of the ones that have watched you in action and been paying attention thru-out your life on and off of the RHBH will BE SWAYED to believe you are anything more than a grifter, who scammed people, finanacially destroyed people, changed your name 5 times , used the name Ford to take money from investors, used your husband to gain your fame on television, than beat him down so no one else on the show would want to get to know him so they would know who you really are. Now you are cashing in on his death, I would bet you loved it when you were able to talk about the little dirty details of you imaginary abuse until you were told to stop because you were stepping in too deep.
As for you being so skinny, losing so much weight,just STOP. We know about the diet pills, Is that one of the things that really pissed you off Taylor, that Russell emailed that information to Lisa to prove you were lying about your relationship? You wanted him to shut up and go away. It is ironic how everything you want you manage to get.
I want to know why we havn’t seen any of this so called physical abuse??? She said the cameras didn’t stop him!!! She told the whole world and Dr Drew if she wants to prove her story Show a clip Im sure Bravo has one or two??? That will never happen because I think shes full of it… I didn’t care for him from season 1 or her, When she said I’ve been working with abused woman for 6 yrs I knew it wasn’t true!!!! If you have the knoledge to help others but you don’t help yourself,, What does that say. Why wouldn’t you do anything to get your child out of there she had the tools??? 6 years worth thats bull….
I know I wrote this before but her statement that Kennedy say about why would you miss a BOY that yelled at you is baloney. First off kids here age and above don’t even think of their parents as boy’s and girls. They are Mom and Dad (sexless). My Grandson has a refuses to believe I’m his Mother’s Mom. I’m a Grandma, she’s a Mommy. He can’t really see his mother as being a child or being a girl. Taylor’s causes doubts because she has to embellish even the simplest truths.
UGGGHHHHH-” the wounded child shanna banana” How about manipulative, maladjusted, moron, then you can fill in your names because you have so many of them, and I dont have all night to type them in.
Dr. Drew is a total fame whore. His diagnosis is to always excuse the patient as they were wounded or hurt or some bs. No one has to take responsibility which is why he and Shana are a match made in hell.
His latest Monday morning quarterbacking was he had a feeling Demi and Ashton wouldn’t last -even though their marriage was a record compared to most short lived unions in Hollywood. He cited the age difference but he has never said anything about any of his celebrity male friends who generally have wives decades younger.
lucy…it is pretty well documented that women in a may/dec relationship can handle it better than men. Men wake up one day and “see” your age and that makes them feel their age…I think it has something to do with hormones…women have that same hormonal thing happen but are more emotionally attached to the relationship. Having a “daddy” in your life is just easier than having a “mommy” in your life as you age.
I agree with what you said, but my point was he makes these snap diagnoses about people who are currently in the limelight -Angelina Jolie, Lindsay Lohan, etc. just to insert himself in the situation. He is a fame-ho first, doctor second.
I agree with you totally about his snap decisions and the fame stuff…I heard one of his ex producers talk about his “need” for the limelight. It is just kind funny when your thinking about a professional….especially in that field.
Wonder what kind of meds shes on now
He sorta had a slip of the tongue there didn’t he…. drug addict vs love addict.
She compartmentalizes, do you think she will come out with MPD next?
Drew advised Tayliar she should tell Kennedy the truth about Russell;s suicide although at the same time he told her to take the counsel of Kennedy’s treating doctor. Experiencing losing a 17 year old son to suicide, I was horrified Drew told Taylor she should not shield Kennedy from the truth, that kids are resilient. As an adult, 8 years later, I am still trying to wrap my head around suicide, I can’t imagine a child being forced to deal with this type of situation. I lost ALL respect for Dr Drew and looked up his credentials. First of all, he is not a psychologist or psychiatrist. He is an Internal Medicine doctor, Board Certified. He is also an Addiction Specialist. He is in no position, in my humble opinion to be providing psycho therapy to Taylor or anyone else with issues other than addiction.
Some information on Dr Drew from wikipedia:
In 2009, Pinsky drew criticism from experts for publicly offering professional opinions of celebrities he has never met or personally examined, based on media accounts, and has also drawn the ire of some of those celebrities. Following comments Pinsky made about actor Tom Cruise’s belief in Scientology and Lindsay Lohan’s drug abuse, Cruise’s lawyer compared Pinsky to Joseph Goebbels, and Lohan posted on Twitter, “I thought REAL doctors talked to patients in offices behind closed doors.”[34] Pinsky also received criticism in April 2010 for stating that he would frame Lohan for illegal drug use in order to force her into a sobriety program if he were her father.[35] Pinsky responded in the same publication that his remark was intended as hyperbole and a “flight of journalistic excess,” not a suggestion as a treatment modality in any way. He stated his intent was to drive home the point about bringing negative consequences to bear for a person dying of addiction when all other options have been exhausted.[36]”
If you watch the interview, pls see this paragraph- Interesting because Taylor brought up how Narcissistic Russell was,
Pinsky, who admits in his 2009 book, The Mirror Effect, that he scored a 16 on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory (average is 18 for celebrities), and shares several traits with the “closet narcissist”, asserts that he was never motivated by fame to become a media figure, but from a desire to educate the public, especially the youth, on the medical facts distorted by the media.
mamarj: My sincere sympathy. Many here have felt the effects of a relative or someone close who have taken their own life. SH
mamarj, I’m so sorry for the loss of your precious son. Kennedy isn’t old enough to possibly even comprehend suicide, and I can’t imagine how frightening the concept would be. Taylor said Kennedy acted very matter of fact when told of Russell’s death. Did it ever occur to Taylor the child was in shock, or couldn’t even fully comprehend what was being told to her? It didn’t mean Kennedy didn’t care about her father, which is what Taylor was trying to imply.
Since her whacked out mother has made a media circus out of her father’s death, sadly Kennedy will have to have it explained in some manner way before it should be. We all can imagine who is involved, Dr Sophy, and not a competent therapist who specializes in children dealing with such a loss.
I lost all respect for Dr. Drew many moons ago, when a patient on sober house physically attacked someone, and he tried to justify her behavior and keep her on the show. He’s going to end up in a world of trouble one day, he is going to throw out some advice on his show, and somebody is going to end up hurt. He’s one of the biggest fame ho’s on TV, and thats why he was able to bond with Taylor.
I find it reprehensible that a physician and a father is ignoring the fact that Russell’s sons are listening to him soothe and comfort the woman who is annihilating their father’s memory.
Yes, my son’s friends at 17 had a hard time grasping the finality of death. Now eight years later, my son’s friends that still keep in touch, say his death hit them harder as they got older, I am sure because they started to understand death is forever. Thank you for your condolences. You are very kind.
I am sorry for your loss and express the same sentiments as the readers above.
thank you for the kind words Jazzinazl.
I send my warm thoughts and understand your pain. I have always looked for the positives that my daughters leaving us has brought to my life. Her gifts to me so to say. Like you She was in her teens and we got to know the woman she would have been. I cherish all the memories she left us with and the Joy of having her in our lives (still).
Yes, not an easy task but we must continue to be their mother and not let their passing define their incredible love and beautiful memory. I am so sorry for your loss and send many prayers and blessings as you continue your walk in life.
One should talk to Dr. Drew’s past interns and producers to see what they think of that statement. He has been described as very motivated by fame.
mamarj, I am so saddened to read about the loss of your son. Words fail me right now.
I want to thank you for posting the evidence of “Dr.” Drew Pinsky’s multiple instances of transgressing ethical boundaries.
Maybe Drew Pin-head’s smart phone will explode today because of a massive twitter roar following last night’s waste of time. How nauseating it was to watch him with his besotted ego-stroking of Shanna Banana. Yuck.
Most importantly, though, I want you to know that you are being sent warm, supportive thoughts right now. I hope you have wonderful family members and close friends surrounding you, providing strength and comfort.
Thank you very much. It is an easy road to play the role of the “victim” for any tragedy in life. I prefer to honor my son and the beautiful person he had become. I gave Pansy a hard time last night on twitter, lol.
I too am sorry for your loss mamarj, I am hoping that by honoring your son you are finding some peace day by day. A parent should never have to bury their child. It is the greatest loss one would have to go thru.
Gail, thank you for your kind words. I agree, no parent should loose their baby. To this day, almost nine years later, I find it very difficult to go to the cemetery and see his name on the grave. It brings me no comfort but I do find comfort in believing I will see him again one day. In the meantime, late last year, I bought two little boy mini schnauzers and they have brought me much happiness and made me feel like a mommy again!
PS: I saw your twitters to Dr Pesky, LOL.
Dogs have a magical effect on the heart, I am happy to hear you have them to give you some love. I don’t twitter, but I love reading some online. I do hope your days only get better for you, I don’t know if I would have the strength to survive the loss of one of my children.
oh, i am sorry, a Gail was really giving it to Dr Pesky and I was LMAO. Thank you again for the kind words.
She has her Sarah Palin hair on. Tweeking her Beverly Hills facade, reinventing herself as your everyday woman. She needs Dr. Drew to explain to her why it is that people dont believe her, and that her “haters” are making it hard for other abused women to seek help. O.K. Taylor
Oh my, is it Shana or Mrs Ford coming out to play today?
I dont think anyone ever konws which personality Taylor will be playing at any given moment, although me thinks it getting harder for her to be playing the role of victim. GOOOO BRANDY!!!!!!!!
Dr. Drew was handed a folder with some info about Taylor, probably put together by some intern who hit the high points. He was ill prepared, and uniformed. A few things Taylor said raised eyebrows, but Dr. Drew did what all other interviewers are doing, they aren’t going to voice their doubts about someone claiming domestic violence. Taylor is slowly falling apart, and her vicious attack on Russell’s sister shows what Taylor does when cornered, she attacks and deflects. Her records won’t prove Russell caused her injuries, it won’t silence everyone following her trail of lies. One breath she says Russell wasn’t a bad person, in another she claims he was going to kill her…..she can’t keep it up much longer. A ringside seat to a very, very, disturbed person.
I am sure Ms SH announced already but Russell’s sister Lauri is going on tomorrow night. I am worried for her. Addiction specialist are not soft with recovering addicts. He better play nice or he is gonna have a flock of women hunting him down on twitter, lol.
Night Night ladies!
mamarj: I agree. I an also concerned about Laurie facing a biased interviewer. TFC!! SH
I wish Drew would have asked Barbara to be the guest as I am sure Laurie is still grieving. Grief experts say it takes 5-7 years to get to a place of peace after the loss of a family member. I have found this to be true.
I worry about Lauri too. Russell’s mom was on Jane Velez Mitchell at one point (Sept, I think) and unfortunately they aren’t sound byte people. If you know what I mean. Speaking succinctly and on message. In addition, at that time they were giving Taylor the benefit of doubt and now they are probably in full anger mode. Which as much as we wolves love to see this – it won’t help their overall case,.
Also, I think the family needs to stay away from …murder… aspect… for now. They need to focus on the timeline (which you all have laid out for them) and the lies.
End goal is to get Kennedy away from this narcissist, out of the camera lights and give her a chance to grow up happy and well. Albeit, it is probably too late. The ‘where are they now’ people will be hounding her for life. That’s why I think Bravo needs to pay for her livelihood for the rest of her life – so she has enough money to hide if she wants too. And the trust shouldn’t be controlled by Taylor.
2nd goal is to expose this women for the disservice she is doing to true & all victims of domestic violence. Female -or- Male. I have a BIL whose wife hit him on a regular basis. He repeatedly came to my office with black eyes, bruises and bites on his back and shyly admitted that it wasn’t foreplay. He was no wimp either. Very good looking, healthy lad, who many women lusted over. He finally left her – when he hit her whilst defending himself. She filed a restraining order after HE presented her the divorce papers. Messed up his livelihood and emotions for a bit. Luckily he remarried a sweetheart of a gal.
Wow! That’s a wasted hour I’ll never get back. All I came away with from that interview was what ever happened to investigative journalism. I also do not appreciate being called a ‘hater’ by a banal interviewer, who clearly is protecting his own kind.
- I can understand why Taylor’s name changes would be of no real interest to media people, since it is common place for them to do so. But, there is a simple question within Taylor’s name changes that should raise an eyebrow – Did you represent yourself as being of the “Ford” family to collude people into investing with you?
- Another question I would of expected from a doctor of Psychiatry – Did you consider how this media coverage and book would affect his sons, who are at an extremely impressible age? Not to mention that it makes them easy targets by their peer group. Not that you shouldn’t talk about it with them but it is definitely a private conservation. (If in fact Russell truly was an abuser. Altho, as mentioned by those who knew him well – he seemed to be attracted to, oh let’s say – volatile women.)
- I also want to know – why do you continue to allow your daughter be appear on TV, when she clearly doesn’t care for it? (Again, how many times does a child have to hide under a table, stick her tongue out at cameras, clam up, hide her face before these narcissistic adults realize she’s not interested in the limelight. Stoopid Adults!)
- I suspect they are not asking about the lawsuit because the easy answer is “My lawyers have advised me not to talk about it during the case.” But that’s never stopped journalist before – so they can at least elude to the fact that one is going on.
Oh, my simple minded questions could go on and on… but the bottom line is she threw her husband under the bus for reality tv! With Bravo’s help. You can’t tell me that Bravo (aka NBC) did not do background checks on the Armstrong’s and knew exactly what Russell’s story line would be from the very first season. What else did the Armstrong’s bring to the table?
Star: All good questions… however, Drew Pinsky is not a shrink… he is an internist who specializes in addiction. Another SoPhony doctor! TFC!! SH
I hear you. But he’s pretending to be – his imdb bio indicates he’s an ‘Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry’ at the Keck USC School of Medicine’.
Star: LOL!! Check the CA medical board. The medical board states that he specializes in geriatrics! He is not listed in the Psych Assoc of CA. He is an internist who took certification for treating addicts.
Look for yourself: http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Search.aspx His name is “David Drew Pinsky”… TFC!! SH
You’re too good. Watch out Dr David Drew Pinsky! The unraveling and truth begins.
I noticed that he seemed to be putting words in her mouth. He did a lot of that, he would say you felt like a scared little girl, etc and she would agree. Could this be so that she doesn’t trip up and contradict herself? I just thought it was strange how he was interviewing her, it was very biased. I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that.
I noticed that too TV Junkie, more than half of her interview with him was him putting words in her mouth or leading questions. BTW, why show all of Taylor’s breakdowns, but not all of her agressive, threatening ways with the other women?
Excuse me ladies. Dr. Drew isn’t pretending to be anything and is the real deal. Say what you want but Dr. Drew is a board certified physician, internist and addiction medicine specialist. After receiving his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, Dr. Drew continued with USC for his residency. He then became chief resident at Huntington Hospital in Pasadena. Dr. Drew’s professional activities in the medial field are numerous. His membership and activities in professional societies include the American College of Physicians, the American Medical Association, the American Society of Addiction Medicine, the California Medical Association and the American Society of Internal Medicine. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/pinsky.dr.drew.html
“Val”: SH does not go by IMBD or CNN. Your are correct… Dr. Drew is simply an internist, who took certification in addiction treatment.
Check the CA Medical Board for yourself re Dr. David Drew Pinsky. As noted, Dr. Drew is NOT a licensed psychiatrist… according to the CA Medical Board, his speciality is geriatrics: http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Search.aspx
Just a quick FYI, Val: For SH, Dr. Drew was on shaky ground before he attempted to discredit world-renowned medical examiner Dr. Cyril Wecht during Drew’s show re Rebecca Zahou. Dr. Wecht is not only the world’s best and most respected medical examiner, he is also a member of the Bar Association. Drew tried his hardest and Dr. Wecht shut him down. After that show, IMO, Drew is recognized as simply another fame monster with a medical degree. TFC!! SH
Val — are you his publicist?
Robin: Why yes! Ms. Val Allen IS Dr. FameMonster’s publicist! http://www.valerieallenpr.com/drdrew TFC!! SH
That’s funny!! She has that NOH8/duct tape pic on her fb–wonder if she was at the same shoot with Dr. NoSox and Traylor and Kennedy?? Wonder why she left this off her glowing description of the good DR:
He has been profiled in GQ, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Muscle & Fitness and was named one of the top 10 Real Sexiest Men by O Magazine, and one of the top 10 Silver Foxes by OK Magazine.
Ms SH you complete me! haha Well, Ms Val Allen, you did get it right, I am a lady, but I am noooo dummy. I said in an earlier post Dr. Drew was wishy washy, and often incorrect when talking about psychiatric issues and now I know why. I never, ever cared enough about him to check his credentials, he was strictly another person on the reality show merry go round, and strictly for my entertainment.
Now there is a big problem. He is constantly giving psychiatric diagnosis, never mind he never met these people, he doesn’t have the certification and education to do so. I have heard him give misinformation about psychiatric conditions on his show, but he does that a lot to fit his agenda, and I just ignored it. Don’t tell me he is certified in addiction treatment, he would make up addictions for people to be on his show. Remember Rachel Uchitel? She had a “love addiction”. Other than the Robert Palmer song, a totally made up addiction because she had no addictions, but Dr. Drew wanted her on the show. He also threw that term out with Taylor, she was addicted to love.
No Taylor, is just a very disturbed person, who will do anything for fame and fortune. Anything, including a full out media blitz pulverizing the memory a man she says she loved, was a good man, and the father of her child. And Dr. Drew has shown he will do anything for ratings, including allowing a woman to come on his show and spend an entire hour destroying the memory of a man whose sons could be watching. An hour full of lies and deflection. Dr. Drew would have know that if he had done research and had the education to realize what was going on under his nose.
Ms Val Allen please ask Dr. Drew would he like his children, the ones he brags about all the time, to go through such unnecessary pain? Please tell him I said he should be ashamed of himself for causing Russell’s sons (and family) one second of pain, and his quest for fame at all costs will come back to haunt him. Ms Allen the “ladies” and gentlemen here can spot a quack from a mile away, quack, quack.
SH, now, that was utterly fantastic!!!!
Val, Val, Val. Tsk. Tsk.
How’s Trailor doing? Any better since Dr. Pepper helped her out?
Ms SH, I am officially in love with you! I swear nothing goes by you! How funny that you noticed it really was his publicist! Wonder if the esteemed Dr. Drew knew about the inconsistencies of Shana’s abuse fairy tales uncovered on SH before the interview. So, he is a board certified internist, but portrays a psychiatrist and people buy this? Would you want your cardiologist performing brain surgery? Maybe my ear nose and throat doctor can perform the hysterectomy I need…
That is a good point mommysmurf. A Cardiologist would not be permitted to perform brain surgery, if that happened, can you imagine the medical sanctions (forgive me if I am using the wrong term here as I am not well versed in medical terminology) as well as malpractice suits that would arise from that.
So why in the world would an internist without the medical credentials of a psychiatrist be permitted to counsel and diagnose people with real mental and psychiatric illnesses! This is unbelievable! And I think that Dr. Drew’s show is nothing more than an attempt at entertainment at the expense of the “patients” he is treating.
Hey, we had a dermatologist who had a radio show in Vegas giving advice on everything from gall stones to cancer. Apparently, Pinsky started his illustrious career as a medical student for a show called “Ask a Surgeon.” (okeedookee
) followed by Loveline (I guess that was his training for identifying love addicts.) He attended a 1 star medical school – not exactly top tier. Dad was a doc and mom was an actress – I guess that explains his combo platter career.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Pinsky
Well Mrs Val Allen You let You client Dr Drew Know HE GOT SNOWED by Taylor Armstrong and I hope he is proud of Himself for planting the seeds of Multiple Personalities in Taylors Mind.
I am sure a diagnosis from Dr No sox is forthcoming. and then NOTHING will be her fault she can blame one of her many personalities for everything. Might I suggest r he come here and review the information the wonderful MS SH provides.and re interview her but this time dont be a tap dancing pansy
Taylor knows she is going to get caught up in her lies, and her ultimate explanation will now be it was Shana Banana who said all those things, not Taylor, and she was confused. Thanks Dr. Drew! She’s like Casey Anthony, when caught in a lie, she makes up a bigger and better lie. Taylor will always be the perpetual victim, the similarities between Taylor and Casey are striking.
How ironic, he said his twitter was blowing up, yet he still soft balled her, giving her even more reasons why she shouldn’t be held accountable. You would think that after the Casey Anthony trial he covered every single day that those tweets would strike a nerve in him and say, whoa, hold the phone- this is eerily similar. Yet he did not, I will not watch him again -ever. I didn’t like him then and I really dislike his show now.
Val Allen, long list..but where does it indicate that this man is a licensed pyschiatrist? That is, after all, the point that is being made.
Exactly! Do tell, Val.
“Excuse me ladies.” Val, there are men on this site, too. Is there a reason you excluded them, or are you stereotyping?
God, she’s a master at deflection. Drew asked her about how she’s dealing with all the criticism, and she immediately turns it towards something else – other DV victims. So, she’s going to produce her medical records but that’s not going to support her allegation that RA caused her injury. Glad that his sister is fighting back.
I thought I heard early on in this entire fiasco – that her book would include LOTS of pictures, medical reports, etc. Rush to print? I doubt it. I suspect the editors found out there were no real pictures of actual abuse nor medical reports (just as she is quietly admitting to now) and choose not to publish them. They couldn’t substantiate them. It’s one thing to let her ‘write’ her side of the story. But actual visuals and official documents can be verified and truly compromise their integrity. A fine line I know – but it is there.
Also it seems to me that she had signed the book deal prior to Russell’s death. Around the same time she filed for divorce. Altho, many seem to think she signed it afterwards ‘to help her out finacially because he left dissitute.’
I hope she brings up the lie Shana said about her great relationship with Russell’s dad and her generous legacy to his sons of his suits.
Apparently, she has had no connection with his family. She has no character whatsoever, and it’s appalling how she has treated them throughout this tragedy. What really ticked me off about Drew is the hater comment. Didn’t he realize that what she said about Lauri was exactly what he was complaining about?
What is scary is how those lies just roll out without any hesitation. She is very good.
Oh, she is a master.
Remember “they” haven’t called or asked about her at all…
I am skeptical weather she will produce the records. Remember she was going to come out with a statement about the death threat on Kennedy, never did. The only way I could see that the medical records would help would be if they were all time and date stamped so we can compare them with the date she says he hit her on the timeline. He asked her if she would have the records this week for the public to see and she said yes. Uh, this is Friday already.
I know this doesn’t really have to do with Dr. Drew appearance the but I just gotta say that I am really sick and tired of Shana’s hair. It’s not an extreme feeling, like how I feel about her face and her black soul, but I keep feeling it, this feeling of just being sick of her hair and her one hairdo. Can’t she put it in a bun or a ponytail or something?
She’s hiding behind it. Don’t you know
Easy tell. Just one of many ‘body languages’ and is the reason why so many don’t believe her.
Her face looks weird. She went from skeletal to having mass fillers put in her cheeks and and it looks frozen and square.
At some point she will get it cut in a big publicity event and donate it. I do not expect her to ever do anything again in her life that is not calculated to garner money or publicity. After all, she has a daughter to take care of and Russell left her in such bad financial trouble and……ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ… oh, sorry, I dozed off there for a sec.
Did anyone pick up that she said last night she had just completed a tax form for her donations to go to various charities. Why wouldn’t she had done this before the book sales if her intent was to donate part of the profits for her book. Also very suspicious that she wants to donate to “other abuse centers” which leaves her an option to tell The 1736 Family Crisis Center “sorry there is not more but I am donating to other centers… yeah right!
mamarj: Nope, sorry, didn’t hear that! Like others have commented here, I could not watch past the tender arm pat and the “they repaired the fracture but not the heart” BS. Soon as I get my monitor back from the repair shop I can try to wait until I hear that particular bit of dreck from her!!
Taylor was feeling the heat because she had no plans of donating a dime to anyone. Filling out a form means nothing. She can give $10, or she can form a foundation, and use the majority of the funds to pay herself, her rent, utilities you name it. Casey Anthony’s parents did the same thing, they formed a foundation for missing children, and used it to pay their bills, buy a boat, and on and on. People will be all over these filings, just like they were with Gretchen Rossi, she also got caught taking money for a foundation that never existed. Taylor’s next scam, forming her own foundation, and people not realizing she can use it for personal gain.
Again, she is full of it. She has said multiple times now that she HAS established this foundation and has specified that it’s a 501c3. That’s an IRS designation.
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96210,00.html
First, a corporation has to be established. The State of CA doesn’t have any corporation with “Taylor Armstrong” in it’s name registered at this time.
http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/cbs.aspx (do a search)
The organization has to get a Federal Tax ID#. Various tax exempt forms have to be filled out and filed with the IRS. New organizations have to give financial statements and estimated budgets for the next two years. All of this info. is from the IRS website. Keep in mind, this is all going to the IRS. Have we ever known the IRS to be speedy (no offense to any IRS employees intended LOL)?
So Shana/Taylor/Polly, please direct us to links to your Foundation showing where and when it was established. And if you’re still working on it, please explain why you have repeatedly spoken as if it’s a done deal already. Oh, and what % of book profits will go directly to the foundation? Is Shana going to have a salaried position? What will her income be? Who all is on the Board of Directors?
Kennedy will most likely be one since she is giving her mother such strong support at this time.
haHa, very true. In some earlier interview she even said Kennedy was encouraging her to date again.
With regards to her using Kennedy as a shield, I wldn’t even be surprised if exchanged some hidden cash into gold coins, stuffed ‘em in a balloon and made Kennedy swallow it.
Thanks willywonka, I knew there was a way to look all of this up, and you rock. I knew it involved public records, and Taylor was going to end up tripping all over herself again. I’m always amazed when these women, especially Taylor, think they are the smartest people in the room. Taylor hasn’t realized the room is now composed of millions of people.
The dumbest part of the whole thing is that these aren’t top secret records or anything. They are public records that any schmoe with a computer can look up in 10 seconds flat. So why keep lying about it?? You can’t just say “I have a foundation!” and have it be true. You may be able to fool Bravo viewers. You may be able to fool TV doctors. You may even be able to fool the people suing you. But it is pretty tough to fool the IRS for very long. Ask Al Capone!
Dr. No-Socks-Sophy, has been a guest therapist for Celebrity Rehab. I remember Dr.Fancy Loafers, being part of at least two guest spots/therapy sessions, from two different celebrity seasons. Dr. Hack, has had work down on his face or he has gained some weight. It bothers me these docs (at least Dr. Drew) treating patients without the speciality training of a physiatrist. It is also my understanding, Dr Sophy, is the present Medical Director, County of Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services. How can this man hold a (high profile) public position and be part of reality television? Going as far as accompanying a patient (Failed Lips) to a party, where alcohol is being served? God Bless the children of Los Angeles that this man is in charge of over seeing their medical services/care.
http://stoopidhousewives.com/2011/11/30/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dr-charles-sophy-shana-and-russell-armstrongs-shrink-how-does-he-do-it/
Thank you, SH, for the link. The ethics of this “Doctor” really make my head swim.
I think Trailor picks these boneheads to interview her because they don’t know what real questions to ask her and she knows they are fame-whores, too, only interested in sensationalizing the situation.
Dr. Drew learned about haters when he started to somewhat defend Casey Anthony when he first started working on HLN. You can only imagine the emails and tweets he received for that! He very quickly did some research and changed his tune about Casey after he was bombarded for his comments. The same thing will happen with Taylor. I wrote him a long email today expressing my disappointment with him for not doing research on her and told him that google is his friend. I also pointed him in this direction to read the timeline. I hope he read it. The ladies on the View are receiving a similar email from me tomorrow before they mention her on the show again. We all need to let these media people know how we feel about what they’re doing, which is giving a voice to a con artist and sociopath.
You are so correct. When Dr. Drew started with defending the baby murderess, Casey Anthony, was the day his show was permanently removed from my TiVo. Also, Dr. Drew’s wife is equally full of herself. I used to follow her on Twitter but had to unfollow her.
@First Lady of Love, is Susan Pinsky’s Twitter account and she dishes out
advise to all of the news makers of the day. She is obnoxious.
did the view ladies change their minds about her
I tried to watch the interviews linked here. Couldn’t stand anymore when Taylor said Russell had “impulse control problem”. Should we start keeping a tally of everything Taylor diagnosis Russell with?
From her lost makeup bag to lunging at brandi/camille over her own lies, its clear who had the impluse problems and narcissism.
He definitely had an anger issue. He admitted it during the counseling scene, but who knows how much pressure she inflicted that drove him to it (just imagine listening to her 24/7). She blew it with the pizza story (you’re slip is showing, Shana). She said in one interview that Russel’s mother was there when he allegedly said that he would kill her for feeding pizza with no veggies to his kids. If this is an example of his ‘impulse control?’ Where was mom and didn’t she hear the outburst or notice the tension between them? Yeah, Shana should be working on the myriad of her own mental health problems and stop paraphrasing everything she hears and reads. Guess that she is too busy mastering her craftiness.
I’m shocked that he was diagnosing Russell as manic depressive post mortem. That’s quite a trick….let me know how a pathologist can tell at autopsy if someone has a mental illness.
That was shameful…….
Yes and being a physician he should know Bipolar usually is diagnosed in the early 20s. I have a friend that her adopted son, started showing signs of Bipolar at 16 but the Psychiatrist would not place a diagnoses until he was a little older to make sure. My point, is Russell would not have just developed “mental illness” (Bipolar) in his late 40′s or early 50s. That was all BS on her part and Drew should have pointed that out to her.
Now its clear why Dr. Drew was diagnosing Russell as bipolar and manic, he is nothing but and internist, his specialization is geriatrics, and he doesn’t know what the heck he is talking about when he throws out his discussions on mental illness. Russell was clearly depressed, and being treated for the depression with medication, something Dr. Hack would have known had he bothered to do some research.
there is something called a Phsycological Autopsy that is sometimes used after a suicide.
I have psychologist in the family and Bipolar and Schizophrenia is typically diagnosed in early adulthood. If Pansy was a real doctor he would have advised Tayliar that a grown man doesn’t suddenly develop mental illness (Bipolar) in his early 50s. I am still in shock he advised her to tell Kennedy the truth. I will say, I didn’t get the impression Tayliar was on board with telling Kennedy the truth about how Russell died. Let’s pray she uses her intuition on not telling Kennedy.
I agree you dont just get it all of a sudden
One last oxymoron before I call it a night. Andy mentioned thatShana’s financial problems on WWHL and she nodded in agreement. Voila! The very next day, Shana is a financial advisor…. lol
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1441334478001/true-reality-of-the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/
Great clip and I’m still barfing from both traylair and the host….Shana is going to be going on tour now and talking to highschooler and college students and about how not to be financially abused. You don’t sign every paper your spouse puts in front of you? You don’t go around the room pretending to be a “Ford” so people will give their money to your spouse? You are so right MsSH….Shana is doing all of this to get out from under the MMR lawsuit and all of these so called reporters don’t understand how they are contributing in her scam
that was puke-inducing. (sorry Ms. SH but it was.) She made it sound like she had to beg him for grocery money. He gave her everything she wanted to the point of financial ruin.
Sounds like she didn’t have to run around too far to find anything, why didn’t she say well he left a briefcase with all of the information I needed to find out all of the accounts were empty. Her credit cards weren’t declined, She obviously had access to money,110,000 dollars worth of birthday parties for Kennedy, didn’t have a problem buying diamonds for every girl at the one party, Why are these people rewarding her for her behavior?
Her reasons for why she wrote the book are changing as much as what is in the book.
I apologized, and made a cogent post which contributed to the conversation, and you won’t allow it through. You apparently hold grudges. That is unfortunate. Sorry that you feel that way, and that you will allow personal feelings to interfere with objective information about vey real issues that affect abused women which Shana/Taylor doesn’t bring up. I have noted a lot of inconsistencies in her speech that have not been noted here – and I have checked – and I did want to share them but there is no point in trying if my posts don’t get through. I am sorry you don’t want to accept my apology for getting off on the wrong foot. I wish you the best. I will still read here but I won’t dare try to comment again. Group theory and all that. Take care.
I didn’t watch the interview, just this clips (thank you SH).
Question: Did I get it wrong or didn’t they comment that they are taping the interview in the same house where she lived with Russel? I thought Shana is not living there for a long time.
Yes, it was taped at the house she shared with Russell. She is telling Dr. Drew that she feels closer to Russell there blah blah blah. (cough BULL cough!)
Thank you! I guess question now is why dr. Drew – who apparently made that interview close to time when dr. Phil did it – didn’t air that interview before? But waited so long and added Shana in studio part?
I bet he didn’t want to share the limelight with Doc Phil…he also probably want to see which way the wind was blowing
Yes, that’s her house. She also taped her Dr. Phil interview there and I think her initial ET interview. Maybe more that I’m forgetting. Where is her kid when all of these crews show up? IMO she needs to keep those TV crews out of her house and leave at least one safe “home” for her daughter, where she’s protected from the outside world like TV crews interviewing her mother about how her father supposedly beat the poo out of her mother and then hung himself.
I know this is early, but the re run of Dr. Drew and Taylor is on right now if anybody is awake yet.
I was wondering why her Ford name change didn’t come up and the fact that she was involved in the grifting too, but not one mention of that! So now I wonder if her legal team is telling all of these interviewers that those topics are not allowed because of the pending lawsuits? How convenient that would be if that is the case. Also, why is he saying she has an alter ego? Shana is her birth name. Taylor is the fake one, right?
Once again she played right into that anal diagnosis by the doc, giving her an excuse for her “alter” ego, or should we say egos. Notice he didn’t mention the 10 other darn names , which even a faux shrink would call into question. Either she is a “Sybil” or a scammer.
So, because he was too lazy to research any info about her ,the zillion contradictions in stories, including her “amazing” resume and all her “accomplishments” which totaly contradict her scared little shana banana persona , he just did the “interview ” due to the controversy surrounding her and for ratings..and then he hands her “a pass” , his own words.Her name changes were made to perpetrate fraud and deceit, plain and simple. Also as you could tell he had no idea she had worked at the DV shelter throughout her years of “abuse”..a million warning light bulbs should have been going off in his head..but no Ah Ha moment for him..just ah yes.
what medical records is she going to produce?And who is going to look at them?Last night interview made me sick to my stomach,dr. drew is the one who actually made me sick.How dare you call people who are telling the truth haters.i cant’t stand any of these so called doctors on tv.
She has said she doesn’t need real docs…she has physical evidence and that should be enough.
barf, barf
She said that Kennedy and Russell didn’t have a close relationship because he “works nonstop and loves his work more than everything”. Was she implying he loved his work more than even his daughter? Also, we all have seen the times on the show when Russell was interacting with Kennedy and it was very touching and real and they seemed close.
She has now started to share that Kennedy is saying what a awful man her daddy was….
Yes, her statement from Kennedy- “Mommy why do you miss a boy who was always yelling at you”, I believe was probably the other way around “Mommy, why do you miss a boy YOU were always yelling at”. I think that is more how the conversation went.
You must have imagined that. (sarcasm)
Uhhhhh…… Dr Drew, if Taylor doesn’t want to be judged, she shouldn’t “piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” (Courtesy of that great American philosopher, Judge Judy)
Judge Judy should interview Taylor. She wouldn’t get away with anything.
I’m bothered at the fact that Dr, Drew didn’t ask her really tough questions. He’s a doctor. I’m sure he’s not buying it, so why is he letting her slide, and make her out to be this innocent victim? OH, PLEASE! Give me a break! What is up with all these interviewers letting Trashy Shana run her mouth like no other, and just accept and try to make the audience and viewers watching believe her BS????? I feel so bad for Russell’s sons and the rest of the family. Kennedy will be miserable later, but Russell’s sons are grown, and I know they are in so much pain. I hope this woman stops, and vanishes to thin air, but that would take quite a miracle because Traylor Trash will NEVER stop! Disgusting creature.
ditto!!! absolutely disgusting!!!!
Dr Drew did have on his twitter that Russell’s sister was going to be on (very briefly from what I got out of it ) to express her anger over Taylor’s interview. If he can’t give the Armstrong’s an hour to refute her, what point is he trying to make?
Alter-Ego? She’s setting the foundation for her defense…..it wasn’t me! it was my alter-ego……kinda like when celebs get caught cheating and the suddenly have a ‘sex addiction’…sorry Dude, you don’t have a sex addiction, you are just a run of the mill CHEATER…..so Shana will claim MPD and skate away scot-free……I’m so worried she will get away with this ultimate scam….
If it hasn’t already been addressed……. someone please tell Lisa to look into SPOOF texting b/c I honestly believe Taylor sent herself that text that she was so anxious to broadcast to everyone. Spoof texting is very easy to do and as twisted as Taylor is I wouldn’t put anything past her.
agree, she did it for media attention and is laughing. she’s going straight for the negative press now, saves time.
Someone has a twitter that Taylor had sent to herself saying what an inspiration her book was. Taylor is so busy writing positive book reviews for herself and tweeting herself that she got confused and forgot to log off and sign on to her fake names. Pretty funny.
Janam: Really?? http://stoopidhousewives.com/2012/02/10/taylor-armstrong-bad-tweeting-bad-reviews/ SH
Somewhere under all the lies there’s a shred of truth. I suspect a some point Shana was a scared little girl and she learned early when the going gets tough you reinvent yourself. (of course she’s taken it to an extreme) Chances are her friendships are very close short term and she and new friends trade secrets this way each and every time someone from her past pops up and knows where she hid the bodies (so to speak) she threatens them with their own dirty little secrets. (hence no one coming forward from her past…yet)
By outting Russell’s secrets she becomes what she fears the most. POS
If I got anything out of this interview I’d say she’s been given a new path courtesy of Dr. Drew.
She’ll add the ‘merging of her personalities’ to the storyline and she;ll start talking about moving out of the house. (she is astute enough to pick up on Dr. Drew’s surprise that she continues to stay there.)
Shiver, Beanthere. I think you’re right on – and it gives me shivers.
So, “haters” is now the buzzword of the moment? Good to know. It’s okay to lie, scam, emotionally abuse your child, fraudulently villify a dead man, thumb your nose at women trapped in real DV situations, etc…but not okay to get called out on it. That’s taking political correctness too far in the wrong direction.
Bravo, please kick Ducklips to the curb and maybe she’ll finally disappear, go back to OK to live a real life and raise her daughter right.
I have to stop thinking about this right now because I get so emotionally involved with this story from a personal level. I know what it is like to live this life and I’m thankful to have made it to the other side, but Kennedy has no chance at a healthy future as long as she lives with the sick people that bravo and taylor has put in her life.
Congrats… me too. The good news is that Mommy Dearest seems to have straightened up – at least, for now. I don’t have the time to go back and research, but I suspect that she was on one long bender which started before filming, obviously lasted through it, and continued up to just recently. Now, that she is getting her fix for attention, she ‘appears’ sober. If she cared one iota about her daughter, she would keep her away from the cameras. Kennedy obviously hates it, and I can’t imagine the psychological repercussions it’s going to have on her. This women is abusing her own child because a good mother would put her child’s needs before her own, but she is too self-centered to even know the harm that she is causing. At least, these docs are trying to bring it to light. Her head snaps when they say ‘you are making it about you.’ No kidding!
Vegas: All in the timeline… which is on the SH masthead! TFC!! SH
at Seview: I am so sorry, you are not alone, this story has hit home for a lot of us on many different personal levels. I too have had to take breaks, feel anxiety at times, it is really tough and so very sad. Wouldn’t it have been nice if she had spoken the truth about over indulging in her life and loosing someone to suicide. We would have supported her and that would have been far more pleasant than going down this painful ugly journey of false accusations.
For Shana to have been honest from the very beginning would have been a very good thing indeed. I think she just started to believe the lies that she told Bravo in order to get on the show and needed to get rid of the Russell baggage. She expected him to walk away and accept responsibility for all the stuff they did together in the past. I think the words she used in the therapy was to set her free or let her go?
I only made it 3 min into the first video. I wanna puke. Especially when he leans towards her and patting her arm. Thats showing too much compassion in my book. It looked sleazy
I am so sick of reading about and seeing her face all over the last weeks. When will she go away? Its almost like I can’t click into SH anymore, cuz she is every 2nd post. Makes me sick! (sorry miss SH, nothing to do with you)
First off I HATE THE WORD HATER.Dr.pansy should be ashamed of himself.Also did any one else hear when dr.pansy(pensky)said ‘oh you volunteered at the la womens shelter’and she replied’yes 6 years.his face looked surprise.and he said o.k thats for another time.His look was almost like wait a minute you worked there and yet you were getting abused? But he skipped on that one.Also she better not start going to schools and colleges and preach this cannot happen.There are way more really qualified women to do that like maybe Tina Turner.
From the very beginning of RHWBH, we were led to believe that Taylor & Russell had the means to live the life in BH. Taylor had businesses of her own therefore needing an “assistant”. Adrienne suggested she join so she could make her own money to be able to leave Russell, yet apparently she chose to spend the money instead of putting it aside. Taylor donates time to a Crisis Center, yet chose not to tell anyone at the center that she was being abused or use the tools available instead feels that a camera crew following her would bring about a resolution to her problems. Lisa stated that Taylor wanted a certain lifestyle over working on her problems with Russell. Taylor admits to Kim that “she came from nothing & couldn’t go back”. Taylor claims “Lisa doesn’t like me because I don’t have as much money as Lisa does”, “I love expensive things” – a pattern is beginning to emerge.
Herein lies the problem. If Dr. Sophy knew there was physical abuse going on, he is required by California Law to report it, yet chose rather to escort her to a party at Sur so Taylor could “explain” her life & situation. Why was that necessary? None of us really know what went on behind closed doors, but there is enough video of Taylor ranting & raving, yelling at her castmates, throwing them under the bus because they were confused & it seems all Russell did was send “e-mails”. Taylor left the tea party & went home & shared what happened & because the girls didn’t rip into Lisa, needed some type of revenge towards Camille. For me it is all too disgusting. Taylor didn’t seem like the abused woman when Brandi or Camille confronted her. Taylor went into her “Oklahoma Kick-ass” routine. Unfortunately, Bravo is bringing “Miss Victim” back for another season. I, for one will not be watching. Too disgusting & far too sickening.
“If Dr. Sophy knew there was physical abuse going on, he is required by California Law to report it, yet chose rather to escort her to a party at Sur so Taylor could “explain” her life & situation”
Excellent point! :0)
And, let’s not forget Taylor’s tagline at the beginning of season 1′s RHOBH:
“People think I have it all, BUT I WANT MORE!”.
Does this look like a speech an “impulsive control” kinda dude like Taylor says Russell was would give?
I also doubt that Taylor didn’t have knowledge of Russell’s Brazil biz dealings. His speech is hella boring, but there’s info and behaviors that discredit a lot of what she’s been saying in her abusapoluza tour 2012; so get some coffee and have a listen…
Also, Dr. Drew should be ashamed of himself. He was ill prepared to say the least for Shana the sociopath. He was answering questions FOR HER/SPEAKING FOR HER. WTH Dr. Drew? It’s counseling 101 that you ask Open ended questions, Never ask Why and Keep THEM talking!
Also we are no longer getting Taylor’s answers anyway. I think that impulse control line came from no sox Sophy. He has her brain washed.
I thought I was done commenting on Taylor bc it’s all so draining, but this interview drove me bonkers! I also wanted to post the video of Russell’s speech again for the people that might not have seen it. It shows how he really was. I think R would rattle on about his work all day and all night if you let him bc that was his passion. I could see Taylor shut him down rudely, not wanting to hear about his work or where the money came from and yell “I don’t care Russell just make it happen!”
Romo: A press release was sent out re the Brazil office on June 6… it is included in the timeline on the SH masthead. Shana was well aware of the Brazil office. TFC!! SH
You mean to tell me she was fibbin on my TV again? Shoot, for a second there I was thinking, “Self, it is quite possible Russell went to Brazil all of those times to party at Carnival.” I would like to someday.
What is really sad is that Tayliar had a good story to tell without victimizing herself and Russell. Every 14.2 minutes, someone completes suicide. That is approximately 4 people every hour which totals 96 people die from suicide every day. Tayliar could have stuck to the truth- pressure of living the Beverly Hills lifestyle, being on a reality TV show, playing hard and fighting hard (emotionally) with the end result of tragically loosing someone to suicide. This would have been a solid story and probably worth reading.
Advocating for DV is a good thing and I believe there are 3 deaths each day. However, I don’t believe DV was Taylor’s truth. That truth belongs to women who truly have suffered with physical violence. They endured the pain and probably most did not have the financial means for escape.
http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?page_id=04EA1254-BD31-1FA3-C549D77E6CA6AA37
mamarj: Excellent point! Again, my deepest sympathy goes to you. TFC! SH
Agree with you completely, mamarj. She’s a narcissist and what she thinks that she saw in Russell is just a reflection of herself.
Right in the intro, Dr. Drew f-ed up: “She was thrust into the spotlight…” NO. She clawed her way into the spotlight, drooling because she was so fame hungry.
Taylor resembles Smeagol from Lord of the Rings. I’m serious. I can’t stand looking at her.
At least, Brandi Glanville (gotta luv that girl), has publicly said that she doesn’t believe ‘what she says or does’ (referring to Taylor). Camille is probably in that camp too, and Adrienne has known all along. Makes you wonder if the other gals have finally pieced it together. Kyle isn’t the smartest pumpkin in the patch and, since, she has such a problem admitting when she is wrong, I doubt if she will admit it even to herself.
No disrespect to Val the publicist (actually, I think it’s great for her to enjoy having such a high-profile client) — but I think that Dr. Drew really does need to toughen up a bit and use that educated brain of his when interviewing oddities and evildoers such as SHAFT. I actually have a lot of respect for him, notably in his compassion and care for those who are addicts. Unfortunately, though, his show and Anderson Cooper’s, which follow are nothing more than what I call Sideshow TV. Very shameful because both, in my view, are respectable individuals, and I feel they both have really lowered themselves into the gutter by giving platforms and air times to the assortment of narcissistic, fame-seeking freaks (eg Courtney Stodden and her “husband” Tooms).
Sorry if this is a repeat post, I just saw a tweet referring to this article, check out the disclaimer made by HLN
And check out my Scathing comment in the comment section.
Good for you Lisa. I am happy they made a disclaimer, now are they going to make one on the air for all of the people that may have watched it and have bought into her lies?
It’ never a good thing to have a guest on a show that you know nothing about when alledged abuse and a death is involved.
Im guessing DR drew and HNL and accesshollywood were flooded with people happy to educate them On Shanna
I had to examine myself and look at what is driving my indignation with all of this – her daughter, Kennedy. I’m no expert but I am an advocate for children with a well-known organization, and my sincere hope is that the family finds the strength and resources to proove her an unfit mother and wage a custody battle against her. Since, the launch of her tour, she has appeared sober publicly but who knows what goes on behind closed doors. Now, she prancing around with some new man leaving her daughter with a caretaker. She never mentions Kennedy unless someone brings it up. Deep down, she probably wishes that someone would take her, and I pray that the family does make that decision.
You know what I think is stoopid? Taylor really thinking her book is going to save lives. Her behavior already took one life. I’m sorry but lets not sugar coat it.
Traylor: While the DV story and link is appreciated, numerous commenters on SH have been sharing their personal experiences with abuse and domestic violence since August, 2011. TFC!! SH
I don’t believe she cares one way or the other. But it’s her only card at the moment, so it’s the card she’s playing.
Is it uncommon for hln to issue disclaimers such as this? Seems like a CYA move.
I need some opinions! I researched orbital blowout- the signs and symptoms. Almost always, orbital blow out is the result of trauma to the eye and the treatment is the titanium mesh device. The signs of the orbital blow out is swelling *usually the eyelid” and double vision to name a few. We all know, pictures were taken the next day and there is no sign of injury. Do we believe the orbital blow out is from complications from the Lasik procedure? Or do we believe the injury was caused by Taylor or worse Russell? She had to have surgery for something? I made a fist with my own hand, my hands are small and my knuckles immediately touch the bottom eye socket bone where Tayliar describes she was hit. Try it, like if you were going to punch yourself in the eye, your knuckles touch exactly between they bottom of the eyeball and the floor of the bone holding the eyeball. This leads me to believe the injury was caused by Tayliar. Russell was a big stocky guy, I am thinking if his fist went towards her eye, his knuckles would have hit up towards her eyebrows. A man’s hand would be way too big to hit where she said. Any thoughts because she obviously had some sort of surgery. My guess is she did it herself but not during the time she said, there is no way, as there would be some type of swelling and who could party with double vision!!
Good point. Or he could have just stepped outa the way as she flew at him in an alkiholoic rage from across the room (ala Malibu and DeDe) and she caught her eye on the corner of a piece of furniture. Hence the “It got physical and I got hurt!” So either way… I think it was self inflicted. That goes along with my newtons law of motion theory
So Taylor says she is going to release her medical records via her facebook page..her and DR SO PHONEY musta been up all night making them
oh and she going on a haters rant on her twitter
lisa (and ALL): Shana’s medical records mean nothing… the records PROVE nothing, other than she had complications from Lasik surgery. Will be interesting to see if the medical personnel are mentioned or are blacked out on the records. TFC!! SH
Oh I 100% agree There are dozen of other ways for her to have been injured incluing a complication from lasik but i am voting for the falling down drunk theory
Just had a call from one of my daughter’s friends last week who said she went to a local hockey game and got wasted (drank way too much beer)….she then proceeded to fall up some stairs she was trying to maneuver and “bam” she hit her eye. Don’t think she blew out her orbital floor but she’s got a hell of a shiner. LOL oh to be young and stoooopid.
The fall down drunk theory is plausible.
You don’t need a doctor to create fake medical records. Very easy to do.
Now they are released, but what do they prove? Nothing, nada…. Its really love and love for her now on the FB page and some, who are critical, are automatic haters or trolls.
Wow, its crazy times
when i first went there there were lots of negative comments they now are all gone
Yes, come to think of it, I think Randy addressed this issue already. I believe Russell’s version was that Tayliar attacked him and he pushed her off. Maybe she hit a nightstand or chair or corner of bed. Randy also said, Russell told him, she was not hurt which does match the evidence of the photos taken the next day. I wonder when her eye was actually injured and if it indeed was an orbital blowout.
This could have been the incident Taylor describes herself when she spoke about Russell lying on the bed and she is above him and he raises up on one elbow and swings at her or elbows her or something to that effect. She was trying to prove that he was beating her, but it doesn’t make sense. She was in the agressive position being above him.
The likely scenario, he questioned her about the Fernanda affair (she claims he was raging over a chipendales dancer), she got mad when he questioned her, flew at him as he was lying on the bed, he rose up on one elbow and DEFLECTED her punches by pushing her away to protect himself from HER blows. He did say that he pushed her in the heat of the moment, but never hit her. That makes more sense. Why would he be lying in a bed on his back with her over HIM and he be the one who is the abuser? Doesn’t make sense!
Agree, this makes much more sense. Thank you for responding.
I agree with MP’s newtons. Also I’ve seen what a fractured orbital looks like. My nephew was playing basketball and was going for a shot when the other guy got him in the eye, hard when coming down for the rebound with his elbow. There was black and blue bruising for weeks, a huge gash in his eye brow that needed 5 stitches, he had a migraine for 3 days, required surgery, his eye was swollen like a tennis ball for 2 weeks and he was sensitive to light for about a week. No titanium plate though or double vision stuff… but he was in a lot of pain.
She must be lying about the orbital blowout. I read over and over also this was very painful and immediate swelling. I think Ms SH is right, complications from the Lasik surgery.
I often think of the tale, ‘The Boy Who Cried Wolf’ whenever I read an article/blog/comment regarding TA.
Do I think there was any DV in that particular relationship. 100% I certainly do. TA displays the exact behaviour pattern of somebody going through DV. It is not something that can be rehearsed or put on. That is why I believe her in that aspect. I have a solid source to confirm this, myself experiencing DV. Then taking a course to help others going through it. It is something I’ve seen and experienced first hand.
However, considering TA’s explanations of what actually transpired is another matter. I certainly hold the view that the truth has been stretched (and that is a comment I never thought I would make against another who has been through it). Fact is always easy to remember, lies are not, and this is what TA doesn’t seem to grasp that it is a personal trait which is easily detected. Hence the comments she has received on boards such as these, and in the reviews for her book. She certainly has not done herself any favours by any stretch of the imagination.
TA also forgets that while Russell cannot put his version of events forward, Kennedy will when she is older.
The Bellino’s from RHOOC strike me as a similar couple to the Armstrongs in many ways.
BritishBev, do you think it is possible for Tayliar to be the abuser? She has been very aggressive with her cast mates specifically towards Kim who is probably the most delicate emotionally. Doesn’t an abuser target the weak? Not being critical, just asking? Also, don’t you think she has a solid understanding of how DV works since she has volunteered with a DV center for 6 years? I too see her bouncing from a weak little girl to a very strong manipulative aggressive woman. Is this typical? Again, not being critical, just asking. I am sorry to hear of your experience and pray you are in a better place now.
I think they were as bad as each other in all honesty. While obviously I can’t say for certain, I would imagine their arguments didn’t remain vocal. I certainly wouldn’t call myself a weak person, my flaw was falling in love. There doesn’t have to be a ‘type’ of person who is more exposed to becoming a victim (I really dislike that word) of DV. Anyone can go through it. 1 in 4 people will sadly experience it.
TA probably has a very through understanding of DV via her volunteer work. However, as I said above, the behaviour is something you cannot put on, her mannerisims and so on.
From a personal perspective, I was determind never to let anyone do that to me again, so perhaps to some I came out of it quite aggressive. The freedom of not being in that situation and not being manipulated enhances your own feelings of being ‘in charge’. I was probably guilty of the same myself.
Don’t worry, I didn’t think you was being critical at all. Thank you for your good wishes. My experience was 11.5 years ago, I’m well rid of the coward.
BritishBev, thank you for responding. I apologize for using the word weak, I can understand why that would be offensive. Good for you for taking your girl power back!
No worries, I’ve been called much worse before lol! Thanks again.
I have diagnosed Taylor with Borderline Personality Disorder which can be brought on with suddenly loosing a parent.I believe her dad did leave her mom at 1 or 2 yrs old. I am not a shrink or even in the medical profession but have heard of BPD and thought of Taylor.
It makes sense with all the name changes.
Cld be. And it is totally possible that Russell WAS a narcissist because those two disorders often get together.
I think the problem is that Taylor has taken her claims of abuse into the twilight zone, sold pictures of the her so called abuse, and sold publishing rights to a book decimating Russell immediately after his death. She is her own worst enemy. If she had not made such outrageous claims, and had one ounce of respect for Russell, and in turn his children, more people may have accepted some of her tales of woe. People are not “haters” people are angry, and there is a big difference. People don’t appreciate being lied to and conned, a lesson Taylor has been too slow to learn.
“Like” button firmly pressed. There is nothing wrong with coming forward about abuse but to almost glamourise it is something else.
The sad thing, IMO, is that the real issue should have been/could have been suicide prevention but has been totally ignored.
Bravo should have taken the responsibility of putting a statement at the end of each episode which should (IMO) have read, “if you have been affected or know anyone affected by the content of this episode please call (insert DV Helpline/Suicide Helpline/Depression Helpline/Alcohol Helpline, etc, telephone number)”.
Someone who tweets should tell her that along with the fact that the term “haters’ is a childish reaction , if you can’t intellectually describe the people that are angry don’t fall back on a word so over used and over rated.
gail, Like “Systematic Bullying”?
yeah, like she is doing to us , people with common sense. lol
Taylor was not submissive like Alexis B. is. There’s been stories by Russell’s friend/family that shows that Taylor was quite physical with Russell too.
Also, Taylor said that she married Russell for business purposes. 80%. She was only 20% interested in him for emotional reasons. She married him when she was about 5 months pregnant. When she said she loves him, she forgets all the other times during season 1 when she admitted the marriage wasn’t based on love. Wasn’t there even a point where she said that love came later in the marriage? Even though she said that abuse started before or at the beginning of the marriage with the 1st date having included a fight that she was cheating on him – at the first date?!?
Anyways, it seems to me as if this wasn’t a simple case of victim vs abuser. There seems to have been victims and abusers on both sides.
Regarding Dr Pesky, did anyone notice he sent twitters over and over to Kyle, Lisa and Mandy notifying them of his interview with Tayliar? I saw at least five twitters for notification of the interview. Funny, Adrian, Camille, Brandi and Kim were not on the twitter notifications from Dr Pesky.
Failed Eye Socket, has released her first medical record on her FaceBook account. LOLOLOLOL. Please say a prayer for me, I have never been so turned off by one person in my life.
I am a child of suicide. I was about four years old when my father decided to jump off a seven story building. My mother choose to hide this from her children. Mainly me, as the youngest of five. I found out that he committed suicide when I found his death certificate. The social stigma attached to the suicide bothered me throughout my teens and well into my twenties. I lived in a small town and I couldn’t wait to get out of there. My mother should have told us what happened. We would have been better prepared to answer questions about his death. When people asked me, “How did your father die?”, I lied. I told lies to cover up the fact that I didn’t know how to handle it,and part of me thought others would look down on me, because he chose to end his own life.
We are all obsessed with Taylor. Is she lying or telling the truth? We will never know. There are inconsistencies in her story ~ I am not following it close enough to know if anyone has brought this to her attention. Meaning, has anyone asked her point blank to explain the things that just don’t add up, i.e., time lines, photographs showing no abuse, etc. A publicity tour is all fluff. So, it’s highly unlikely that anyone will question her integrity, while she is out promoting her book.
Bravo raked in millions from her drama/story line. It’s hard to know if the public backlash against her is enough for Bravo to fire her. Granted, this HW situation is one of the worst to date. It’s just too hard to predict if they will let her go. If things start to get really embarrassing, she may leave of her own volition. Being on a very popular show, brings a hefty paycheck, and she is not in a position to turn down the money. In my opinion, Taylor needs to quit the show, be out of the limelight, and be preparing her daughter on how to handle this situation. When Kennedy starts school, children are going to ask her about her father’s suicide. It bothers me to think this child will experience what I went through (it’s one hundred times worse due to her mother being on national television), and she will not know how to answer all of the questions ~ some nice, some not so nice.
Taylor’s need for attention will ultimately hurt her daughter. I didn’t watch Dr. Drew, and I am doubtful that he expressed this to her.
She sounds so rehearsed during a lot of the interview. And during the taped segment she seems to know when to cry on cue. And if I hear her say orbital reconstructrive surgery one more time I’m going to knock her other eye out of it’s socket. But I must say, the only thing I truly believe her on is the fact that Russel’s sister wasn’t in theri lives. She got really defensive and heated when Dr. Drew stated the claims that his sister had made on Taylor. I would probably react the same way, but at the same time, I have no clue what happened in her life with what’s real or fake. When Dr. Drew asked her to be honest and truthful about why she wrote the book now, she did sort of sideswipe her answer. She didn’t answer that honestly, in my opinion. She could’ve just said, “I need to support myself and my daughter and I have a lot to say…and yeah, I want to get my message across about domestic abuse.”
I just think she’s not completely honest. As does everyone else.
Why did Dr. Drew constantly refer to “Shana” as being the alter ego when “Taylor” is the alter ego that original Shana made up to scam investors at MMR? Taylor is more of the alter ego than Shana. Shana is who she always was up until she was in her adult years when she changed it to Taylor.