“The next day Kim finally arrived! At this point I was feeling that she had already missed a lot of the fun. I never saw her all day until dinner that night. When Kim and Ken showed up like they acted like it was just any other day. I was beyond frustrated. I expected her to explain what happened (truthfully) and or apologize. It wasn’t like it was a secret. The entire group knew what was going on. Kim likes to brush things under the carpet. I like to put them on the table. The reason I need to do that with my sister is if we don’t address what is bothering us, it builds up and then our relationship becomes very passive aggressive — as you witnessed in Season 1. I wanted my sister to just be honest — not just about Hawaii but about everything. Mauricio has never had an argument with Kim before, but he has witnessed my hurt and frustration and felt compelled to say something.”
“That night, dinner was fractious. There was no possible chance of ignoring the cavalier attitude of Ken and Kim, and, as you witnessed, they left early, frustrated by Kyle’s persistence and expectance of an apology, which was never going to happen. Some may think Brandi is too blatant with her remarks. In my opinion when one enters this domain we hold ourselves up for scrutiny. That is the nature of this beast. If you have something to hide, my recommendation when you’re asked to sign up for a reality show would be to run for the hills. Our business became your business, when we made the decision to enter in to your living room and share our lives with you.
In regard to other episodes and many of your comments — many, many of you question my judgment as to how I could have ignored so many telltale signs as to who my real friends were. Just try to remember that all the footage you see as we proceed with the story are things I am viewing at the same time as you. We are not aware of things that run in the same episode. If somebody is disloyal or talks behind your back you don’t have a clue. Until now. . .”
“…I am by no means an authority on these matters, but I have been around a lot of people in my life with drug and alcohol problems. I helped to save my best friend Jennifer when she was at her rock bottom, and I have had to walk away from people in my life that I couldn’t help. At the time, I had to stay focused on my own health and sanity (and that of my children) as I went through my divorce. I wish nothing but the best for Kim. I hope she conquers this battle and gets better for herself and for family.”
Producer Dave Rupel:
Q: HelJ19 wants to know why Kyle would invite Brandi on the Hawaii trip?
A: This may have wound up on the editing room floor, but I know there was a mention of Camille liking Brandi and wanting another single lady on the trip.Q: Born on the 4th wants to know when the reunion will air and when can they have a preview?
A: Part 1 of the Reunion will air Monday, January 30, and Part 2 will air Monday, February 6. Not sure when the previews will start running, as our editors just started editing the footage today!
Q: bchie wants us to add Allison Dubois, Camille’s psychic, to the cast.
A: Trust me, the producers love Allison as much as the fans do. If she ever wanted to film with us again, we’d love it! However, Allison does not live in Los Angeles.
“I was so wishing I had been at that table that night because the amount of times Kyle asked Kim to cough up the truth drove me mad! And just to make it stop, and of course out of genuine concern for Kim, I think I would have finally blurted out my opinion: “Kim do you think maybe all of these things your sister is pointing out that you’re missing and your slurred speech could be because of the medication you are taking or the dose level? That’s nothing to be ashamed of but it’s obvious at this point so let’s talk about it so can we help you!” From what I saw of Kim’s discussion with Paul at Paul’s night of beauty, that seems to be the problem to me.”
Shut up Kyle. Kim and Ken are grown. If the want a little time to themselves then they can have it and there is nothing you can do. Get a life and stop harping on the same thing over and over.
Didn’t Brandi admit to drinking a lot when Eddie left her? Who is she to judge Kim? Hypocrite.
I’m waiting for MP to show up and post her standard video for Dana. Then I will put my signature “x” under it
Yeah. SpamDana is . . . so duuuumb. She’s too stupid to know how stupid she is. Her stupid meter is broken, she’s so stupid.
x
That is very well put too! lol
I am giving Kim a pass, but do realize she must have forgotten what the trip was about–celebrating Mauricio’s birthday.
I am ready for Brandi to be gone–it still hurts me that she accused Kim of being a meth addict when meth heads have bad skin, rotten teeth and burned up lips, oh and they smell bad. As a woman I am glad that Kim is getting the professional help she needs.
if Kim was a male would you not be glad? lol Just kidding!
Ohhh STH up Kyle ! We all get that Kim has addiction issues and thank goodness she is getting help for them. BUT.. Kyle will always be a part of the reason she is soo messed up ! I just love how she gotta call her sister out every chance she gets on FILM, because GOD forbid her and her puppet / husband and family could have an “intervention” off camera ! Ya know, just out of respect , love and concern for a family member who you would want top help escape the holds of addiction.We can’t have that can we.. we would miss her in all your “emmy” award performances ! It blows my mind that when it comes to shafts BS , Kyle is reserved ( except for the un -invite flood of tears ) and secretive and so controlling with what she says and what she shares, about it , but with her own flesh and blood, she lashes out constantly under the guise of caring.
Yes Kim is messed up , yes Ken is “icky” , yes she needs help. But Kyle and her husband need to know when a time and place to discuss these matters is appropriate and the meals/ the whole freaking mini vacay were not the time. And ruining everyone else’s meal /time wasn’t right either. They all know Kim has issues, why does Kyle feel the need to make an “f “out of her sister with people who are not even her real friends just tv acquaintances, ohh I forgot , ya need a storyline. Ahhh but with Shaft.. you always have to treat with kid gloves.. you make me sick ! Excuse me now I need to climb over my neighbors balcony to hear what they are saying and doing !
@ kas – ITA. There is a time & place for such discussions.
Kim & Ken showed up on time for both of Mauricio’s b-day dinners and did their best to be calm, respectful dinner guests. Kim & Ken wasn’t rushing 15 million times to the bathroom, they weren’t slurring and chattering nonsense to other people, they weren’t talking about stupid crazy stuff they’ve been doing, etc. They went there and behaved NORMALLY. So instead of rewarding good, normal behavior (which is what Kyle & Mauricio are whining about wanting), Kyle & Mauricio turned both dinners into a b*tchfest, with Kim & Ken being the sane ones who repeatedly asked that there be no drama at the table.
As for how Kyle treats Kim in contrast with how she treats Taylor, Kim is not hurting anyone but herself. But it’s Taylor, who by her own words & actions, kept Kennedy in “danger” (her own word) by keeping her with in the same household as Russell, and again by her own words & insinuations, kept herself in “danger” as well, gets a HUGE slide by Kyle with Kyle never making any dinners a “drama,” not even at the dinner gathering with JUST Kyle, Mauricio, Taylor, & Russell – you know, the one where the Armstrongs threatened to sue US Weekly in order ultimately to sue Lisa. Wouldn’t that have been the perfect time to discuss if and why Russell was breaking or “dislocating” Taylor’s jaw, beating her, throwing her into a tub, putting Kennedy in ‘danger,?” So instead of yapping & yapping, Kyle & Mauricio gave the supposed wifebeater/potential childbeater & the crazy lady a peaceful dinner. Hypocrites.
I didn’t have a problem with the way they confronted Kim and Ken. I do disagree that Kim and Ken were behaving “normally” though. They are so drugged out, it’s the 800-pound gorilla in the room. I think they should have been uninvited, not berated and humiliated at the dinner. I think the addicts needed to be confronted for their selfish and addict-like behavior, but it was rude to the other guests to make them suffer through that controntation. If I was any of the other guests, I think I would have had to make a stand and politely excuse myself.
@MsS – ITA since Kyle and her husband (that guy is really annoying) couldn’t just shut up, they should have disinvited Kim and Ken to the dinner. IMHO Kyle ruins a good many of these situations and makes her guests uncomfortable b/c she is unable to control herself. You can see her winding herself up (the whole hotel peephole and listening through the wall and climbing over the balcony was outrageous). She is so busy trying to control Kim (who like all addicts can’t be controlled) and then blames it on Kim. Yes, Kim’s behavior is bad but at a certain point in life, especially when dealing with addicts, one has to change the way they react to the bad behavior or spend the rest of their lives angry, frustrated and ruining what should be good/fun/memorable times.
Vyle just wanted a reason to grandstand, huh? She epitomizes “the controlling codependent.”
I must be that way too because I actually get Kyle’s frustration with her sister. And its not about “just let me live my life and you live yours” I have heard that many many times from my degenerate family member. And I would be totally cool with that but this person INSIST on making me witness it and basically dares me to say something. And I always fall for it and end up harping like a broken record and then guess who is the uppity bish who thinks her chit dont stank?.. Me! This person has help by other lala land family members who have their heads permanently cemented into the sand and I upset their precious little apple cart by speaking the truth. They ALWAYS turns it around on me. I aint gonna do it no more but that means I aint gonna be around that person no more either, So its sad, and frustrating. Kyle should have just not invited Kim. problem solved.
It’s sad, but I’m glad you will not continue to beat a dead horse. It just ain’t worth, MP. Believe you me, I know…
Seriously though, do you insist on including everyone around you in on your “harping”? I doubt you’re the same as Kyle. You’re just too pretty!
lol. Well actually recently everyone has been around when I have had my moments-but that was due to the fact that this person pulled their crap on Christmas day…IN MY HOME and that is key because I feel like my home is my sanctuary and I tend to get my nose outa joint when people disrespect that. And trust me I am well aware of my issues(ED and refusal to get meds for depression) I am very open about that. But on what planet is illicit drug abuse in any way comparable to my issues?Its not but the way they turn it around and use that against me is masterful. I swan every time it leaves me stunned with my chin on the floor going “WHAT in the sam hill just happened?” But you are right and my husband says same thing about beating the dead horse. Its the definition of insanity-repeating the same thing expecting different outcome. I am done with that. I have not given up on my family member but I just have to love them from afar. I am very sad over the situation because this person really is a great person. Anyways enough of that. Just wanted to chime in on my take on the Kyle/Kim situation. Did Kim ever end up apologizing to anyone for missing the flight?
I live with it everyday… If I reacted that way to everything, I would be dead from exhaustion by now.
We are in different camps. I know you’ll find your balance.
I get it too and I admit to having the “rescuing” and “mothering” tendencies–which I’ve had to do some personal work on. I get Kyle too, but she’s extremely overbearing and self-UNaware. She really has some kind of Jesus/martyr complex, and it’s ugly. She needs rehab as much as her sister does, because controlling her sister is HER “addiction.”
Well exactly I agree.
Al-anon is a great place for venting and having someone who gets your feelings. You can even attend meetings online. It’s also a great place to get advice from people that have been there and done that.
And how Kim behaves after rehab will be interesting. IMO she should stay away from her sister. As you have stated mss, Kyle suffers from another type of addiction.. controlling others.
So true! There’s a difference between being mothering and being rude. Drug addicts are already ashamed there’s no need to discuss it on TV and with friends present esp. on vacation. I believe Kyle does this so everyone can think OMG she cares so much and loves her sister. I can’t stand Kyle and I think she’s so phony. By her climbing over the balcony to check on her was totally wrong. If that was my sister I would have beat the crap out of her! lol
I wish Kyle would take the same approach with Traylor but she won’t because it would make her look bad on TV.
This box isn’t large enough for my opinions on Vyle!
Oh, boy, ashamedofnj, I completely agree w/ you.
You summed this up so very well.
glad you do
Good for you. Odds are the only one that it really upsets is you. The good part is if you back off you will feel better. The behavior will continue but you won’t be the one being blamed for it!
I sure hope so.
Girl, I love you! Vyle!!! LMAO And yes, she is definitely the controlling codependent. Aside from the fact it would be good for her, I hope Kim is successful in recovery. It will be really interested to see Kyle unable to take cheap jabs at Kim and where she would put all the nasty focus. Vyle simply isn’t able to function without getting up in Kim’s business.
I have plenty of other good words for her but I’ll respect Ms SH and not post them on here
Trekker you speak wisely!
KAS – you nailed it. Great post.
anne..While I don’t think whatever Kim and Ken were saying at all times was “normal” lol, far from it, because I really could have used a translater or more subtitles when those two had lunch by themselves and were .. I guess , having a conversation, which kept making me go WTH ? I still think it was all for “show” on Kyle’s part. I would have said screw this and left the dinner table both times. I don’t need to hear all this crap, I’m tryin to enjoy myself and eat.. but then I’m sadly normal !
Amen, kas!
You all have very valid opinions! I can’t choose a side on the issue lol. I can see both sides. I really dislike Kyle, and Kim gives me mixed feelings bc I think there are deeper issues than just her family that have led to her destructive nature. That being said, I also know how frustrating it can be (even to the unrelated spouse) to deal with a sibling that lies repeatedly. Add a drug addiction in the mix, and the lies expand tenfold. You get to the point where you just cut through the bs and call them out (even though you know it will do not good), or you do not go around them at all. Bravo wants them around each other for ratings, so that’s that. I am sure though, that Kyle and John were exasperated–I am also sure that they did not say those things out of exasperation as much as desperation for attention.
I myself have little tolerance for lies, so I’m a bit biased
However, I agree with those that think Kyle was out of line to do that in those settings. It was clearly for camera time–one of those “the producers told us to have dinner and discuss the issue, but they didn’t tell us to fight, so it was realty” type situations. Right–like setting up that situation would not cause a fight between two jelly-belly sisters. She is no different than the Gorgas selling their family out for fame. I would be embarrassed as H-E-double-hockey-stick to have those conversations with my sister in front of friends–she did it in front of friends, a production crew, and knowing it would be shown on national television.
Kim is so drugged out. I said it in another post, but I will say it again: Bravo was out of line filming her in this condition. (Right, MP
) And the fact that they waited for their already questionable season to wrap before sending her to rehab is incomprehensible–and clearly done for ratings/publicity. They made her fulfill her contract with them, which I would question the validity of in the first place (not only was she clearly not mentally healthy, she could probably prove she was under the influence of something at the time)–Void contract=RHW tell all anyone? She could make some much needed money! She finished filming, the rehab they supposedly required of her has been very public during the airing (to bring in viewers to see what led to rehab), and they pretty much advertised that she wouldn’t be at the reunion because they care soooo much about her well being that they helped her get into recovery. Puh-lease, Bravo!
I like Lisa. I can’t help it. (Although I hear rumor on here that she’s a pig (gasp!).)
I like what Lisa wrote here, and I can stomach her in every scene that I’ve watched her in.
I like her too – most of the time. Loved her dresses on Hawaii. Finally something different then black/pink ones she normally wears
I really enjoy Lisa, she is funny, smart, a nice bit of whacky, the whole package. And her statement, “In my opinion when one enters this domain we hold ourselves up for scrutiny. That is the nature of this beast. If you have something to hide, my recommendation when you’re asked to sign up for a reality show would be to run for the hills. Our business became your business, when we made the decision to enter in to your living room and share our lives with you.” couldn’t be more dead on.
I am sorry that she has now seen the other women backstabbing her, that really had to hurt. Hopefully the rumors are true and she is getting her own show so she’ll be away from this group.
And also a plus for SH. She won’t have to watch that show with just Lisa.
(Shh! Don’t tell, but I don’t think SH is very fond of Lisa. Keep it quiet though, eh?)
Totally our secret
And I don’t feel a bit of sympathy for Kim. Drugs give her a convenient excuse for being a simply awful person. She needs personality rehab.
I agree, being around addicted siblings growing up, was a nightmare. when they would visit my parents, some would walk on eggshells around them or act oblivious to their condition. I hated the drug addled sense of entitlement they always wore as a chip on their shoulder. ewwww. Thank God the worst one gets real NA chips for being sober for 20 years.
Awful seems to apply to all the sisters,drugs or not. Personality transplants sadly are not covered by any medical insurance.
I felt bad for Kim up until the last couple of episodes. I mean, I still have sympathy for her, but it is waning.
Although, if my family was on reality TV, Im pretty sure all of America would hate us in no time :p
We don’t care.
LMAO, that has fast become my new slogan!
I wish Kyle would treat Kim with 1/10th of the compassion and understanding that she treats Taylor. She is so smug. You didn’t give a shit that she was driving around wasted all these years, but only care how it affected Mauricio’s birthday party. Stfu already you are so smug.
It was inexcusably rotten for Kyle to do what she did @ the dual birthday dinners. (**I have only read about the most recent episode, mind you, b/c until the Black Widow is off the show, no more Bravo for me.)
Wouldn’t most people consider that a hostess who starts a quarrel w/ her sister TWICE at her husband’s extended (!) birthday parties is guilty of the greatest impoliteness? With guests gathered all around, uncomfortably shifting around in their chairs, trying to look anywhere but at the the spectacle at the head of the table, Kyle demonstrates her limitless stash of selfishness and disinterest in others’ feelings as she & Maurice repeatedly grill Kim and Ken. Kyle has cemented herself forever in my “wasted DNA” category.
Hair-flinging, single tear-dropping, nails-on-chalkboard voice, 42 y.o body wrapped around an emotionally time-locked 15 y.o. mean girl=Kyle Richards.
I hope her book sales are dismal. I hope her publisher takes a huge loss, too.
@Waves – Wasted DNA category. I think we used to call that a waste of skin when I was younger, LOL.
I find Mauricio annoying, just too little there for me. He always seems weak and on occasion whiney but I don’t recall him attacking Kim like he did at the dinner. He really went after her viciously and I just don’t get it. I don’t believe for a hot sec that he cared that Kim was 36 hours late. He probably (and others, too) were happy that she wasn’t there so there was less drama being stirred up by Kyle. His attack was so passive-aggressive. What the heck was that about?
Love your description of Vyle, it fits perfectly. I can’t imagine anyone buying her book. She doesn’t dress particularly well, her hair and makeup are done by others, etc. but at least 17 people have given it a five star rating on Amazon, go figure. Still, expect to see it in the bargain bin before too long.
A five star rating? Unbelievable! I’m going straight to Amazon to check those comments out. Thanks for clueing us in on this.
You’re totally right about Mo being passive-aggressive. I’m betting he’s still p.o.’d that Kim let every viewer hear (during last yr.’s Vyle limo scene when her ample bottom was aimed straight @ the camera) that he and Vyle stole her house. I imagine that’s not a great business advertisement for Mo in the high-end, competitive BH real estate market. I’m smiling just thinking about his face getting all puffed up and red with anger. The more I think about it, the more I believe he’ll never forgive Kim for that revelation.
JMO.
I agree. She shows compassion for someone with fake problems!
Right on with the analysis! I so agree!
I used to think that Kyle was genuine, but she has proven otherwise. That was completely rude and immature to call out Kim at the dinner. Everyone looked pretty embarassed at the table. She is such a terrible actress, and she probably thinks this show will give her the break she needs to get back into roles!
Vyle Byle is genuine…….she’s a genuine b e o t c h.
if i may add something to this, Maurice contributed greatly to the immaturity displayed by Kyle. He should have been the voice of reason, not the spoiled brat whose party was ruined How old is he anyway? Act like a man. Paul and Ken (squared) did. just my two cents.
yep she sure does….I just read an interview with Taylor a couple of days ago where she said that Kyle was her bevhills bff….so nothing has changed. I was hoping Kyle would have an epiphany and put that kind of concern and care into her own sister.
My point exactly gessie !
Agree completely! Fraud of a hag.
Please, people need to stop making excuses for Kim. Yeah, Kyle is a bitch, but Kim is an immature, irresponsible little brat. Sorry, it’s not okay when you arrive to someone’s birthday weekend 36 hours late. If it were anyone else, then I’d agree that Kyle needs to STFU and stop being catty, but since it’s Kim, it’s completely understandable why Kyle lost her cool. Kim thinks it’s her world and everyone is just living in it. She made the entire cast and crew wait for her because she couldn’t get up in time. She missed 2 flights because she couldn’t get her crap together (i.e. renew her driver’s license). She thinks it’s okay to lie and be late without any repercussions. If Kim had just been honest the first time Mauricio asked her why she was late and apologized for showing up late, everything would’ve been fine and she wouldn’t have been ‘picked on.’ It’s about time people stop making excuses for Kim and start addressing them to her face.
Kim and Ken are both adults, and if they want to be treated as adults (especially Kim) then they need to START ACTING LIKE ADULTS.
Kim wasn’t renewing her driver’s license. She was just probably too stoned on X&P to pass TSA inspection. They don’t let obviously intoxicated people board flights.
go away dana
haha no doubt, what the heck is wrong with Dana, is she high too, Kim in in re-hab it is not miss managed medication. We all know, Kim knows, Kyle knows, everyone knows. Why on earth would Dana recyle that excuse that Paul used a month ago? I am so offended and confused about her blog!
Shana has this on FB:
Taylor Armstrong KIMBERLY: Maybe you should read my responses before you comment. (AND FYI: Not only did I graduate from college, but attended medical school.)
Yesterday at 1:09pm · Like · 1.
Med school???? are you kidding me?? She also says that she has made mistakes, told lies and has regrets??? apparently she continues to tell lies….I am pretty assured that she never attended even PRE-med…..
I get so Nausated reading her facebook Im not sure who is more delousanial Taylor or her Roving band of Idiot Stans
I don’t have the stomach to look at her FB page, Lisa, so you’re made of stronger stuff than I.
At some point during the last several months, I heard that the Black Widow worked as a pharmaceutical rep. for a while, and that she has a b.s. (possibly biology?) degree. However, she does not have an M.D. or a D.O. degree. If she attended med school, it was for a short duration of time. There’s no doubt whatsoever that if she was a doctor, she would have been non-stop bragging about her status for 2 solid seasons.
There is a record of her attending a medical school….not sure she graduated. She was a sales rep at a pharma company. Did you see on twitter where she is having a book signing? ehwwww so sad.
Steview, there will always be those weird hangers-on who will go to her book signing just to see if they can get on camera, too, or be in the presence of a—–(excuse me while I puke)—–celebrity.
I cannot imagine that her following is very large. She will have her book signings, and she’ll relish the limelight while it lasts, but it will not be long before her book finds its place in the deeply discounted, bargain bin.
As soon the Black Widow’s book comes out, let’s all flock to Amazon and let the poop hit the fan in the comments section!
guess i better check ms sh info. i must’ve missed that. she doesn’t seem bright enough to have been accepted imo
Ok she attended a Medical school dosnt mean she was studying to be a Doctor I fairly certain other classes and programs are incompassed into “Medical school” and Ill bet the farm she went a few classes and dropped out if she had completed and graduated she would have gone into a internship and residency and become a DR. My guess Medical school was a hunting ground to find her a rich hubby.
and Waves I cant stomach to much of Her FB or twitter I have low tolorence for Idiotacy
I hear ya’, Lisa!
Also, I believe you are correct about the Widow having attended classes at the U. of OK School for Medical & Applied Sciences. That school would include medical school, physical therapy (now requiring a Ph.D), occupational therapy, physicians assistants, nurse practitioners, etc. I’ll say it again: if she had a medical degree, she would be crowing about it all the time.
She has the attention span of a flea, so it’s likely that she had to drop classes soon after her admission. I know this sounds harsh, but all of the programs that are listed above–plus more–are intellectually and time-demanding. There is precious little time for a social life. And, we all know that the Black Widow’s gotta have her social life! Ick.
Do you know where she got her undergrad degree? .. what it was in??
I know it was in the sciences @ the Univ. of Oklahoma, and I am inclined to say biology. It might be biochemistry, though.
It would be a mistake to ever underestimate the intelligence of the Black Widow, much as it pains me to admit it.
heres: I would suggest accessing the info on the SH masthead. TFC!! SH
you know i will, mama!
Being around the Medical field I have meet my fair share products of “Medical schools” some are smart as tacks and very book smart but have the Common sense of a flea Tayliar fits that profile She probably is very book smart but stupid
Amen to that!
There are those that like to have others do all the hard work…..they just hitch themselves to others that are the one actually doing it.
It’s unlikely that she finished. She has BPD and thus, like you said, “the attention span of a flea.” I wonder why her website says merely that “she STUDIED biology.”
. I find it hard to believe anything she has stated about her life. Does she have a degree? If she does it makes her stories even less believable.
If she got a “degree” its prolly a bs in this….
I have visions of her repeating “it’s cold” over and over with that creepy grin, desperately trying to make a connection between those two brain cells, and consequently just canNOT place her in a higher learning institute…..
Medical school? Under who’s name?
so I’m not alone! first time I had read comments….who are these people kissing her arse?
read all the posts on Shana Taylor Ford….etc.. and the timeline, etc.
You will find out that we speak to Russell’s family and have outted Taylor for all her lies about abuse etc. It is quite a long read so wait for the weekend.
Agree w/ Nancy’s advice re: reading the timeline. Fascinating and chilling. Anonymous, Ms.SH, and Becky did an awesome job.
I just hope that the timeline reaches every venue before her scheduled appearances at each one. That would be truly a golden moment to savor….
I”m gonna try and get through it….I’ve quit watching the show and just keep up here on SH…It looks like a riveting post
It sure is riveting, Hereswhat!
MsSH or Becky: The awesome timeline really deserves its place in the hands of a good investigative reporter, as someone else suggested in an earlier post. (Sorry, but I can’t remember who it was.) I noticed that there’s an extensive blogroll listed on your site, but out of respect for the work that Anonymous & you two ladies have done, I don’t want to jump the gun and send off anything that could be later claimed by someone who didn’t do anything but use it for their own gain.
Do you have any advice for other posters and me? Judging the comments, there is a growing desire to see this story immediately get legs, get boots, and get stomping, but the 3 of you deserve all credit for it–even if Anonymous must remain at large.
waves: What exactly do you suggest? SH
Anyone got the Name and addy for Russel Laywer I bet he would know what to do with the Timelines
I haven’t seen Bitten on here recently, Lisa, but she might know.
Come to think of it, I wonder if she’s seen the timeline yet? I hope so!
BTW, I would NEVER put my real name, address, or DNA on that letter. I don’t think anyone here wanted “credit.” I offered as a favor, in case no one else was WILLING to.
lisa: This suggestion is VERY offensive to me… and I will also speak for “Anon” “KK” Becky and anyone else involved with these particular timelines. For your and other readers information… NO OTHER “BIG” site wanted to touch this information. NO OTHER organization/site wanted to hear Randy Edwards, so he contacted SH in OCTOBER. There has been much communication going on since that time with him and others. So NOW everyone wants to play catch up with Randy since his December 31 Q&A on SH… other sites NOW are after Randy, just take a look at his twitter. No one KNEW who he was, but I was well aware of who he was long before he contacted SH…
NOW it’s suggested that a massive timeline worked on by SH readers and myself be handed to… WHOM, exactly??? This is an excellent example of The Little Red Hen… if you don’t know what that is, look it up.
While I appreciate the enthusiasm of readers who want this information to “get out there”…I am puzzled as to why anyone thinks it’s not. If you think it needs more attention, feel free to place a link to the timeline anywhere you like or send it to whomever you like. Both timelines can be found on the SH masthead under “SHANA”… SH
Okay, then the Queen has spoken; and so shall it be.
Ms. SH, we all thought it was a great idea. We didn’t know the backstory that you just gave. We thought that, perhaps, you did not want to endorse a letter sent to relevant parties. We started discussing this yesterday and asked for your input, and whether you were going to do it. I suggested sending it with a professional cover letter. In fact, I volunteered “as a contingency plan,” in case you didn’t want to. No one wants to offend you; we wanted to help get the message out.
Ms: Get the message out to whom? AND… that was just PART of the backstory. SH
Oh, MsSH, Like MsSuburbia, I also did not have any idea about the background of all that has happened in previous months. I echo MsS’s last sentence, too.
I feel very badly about stirring things up. I truly do.
waves and all: There are reasons that some comments which include links are trashed… even links to so-called “big” sites. There are backstories. I would not be concerned about the timeline “getting out there”… again, both timelines are available under “SHANA” on the SH masthead. Feel free to send a link to anyone you choose.TFC!! SH
To media outlets who will be interviewing SHAFT, MMR and Armstrong Family attorneys, Simon & Schuster, the DV org, C-word Vodka–people like that. Someone suggested Diane Dimond too. Straight to their mailboxes, not just a weblink. Any time mainstream media declines to look at it, can you publish their names with the facts of their refusal? Are they willing to decline in writing, or respond at all?
My Aplogies Mrs SH
Well, I was thinking that someone at the L.A. Times, for example, might write an expose on it, or one of the news magazine programs like 20/20 or 60 minutes. (Someone wrote that NBC owns Bravo so that rules out Dateline.) Maybe CNN or Headline News, although Dr. Drew has a program on HLN & he works w/ Dr. Sockless on Celebrity Rehab, I believe.
As I wrote, though, I wouldn’t want someone else to get all the credit when Anonymous, Becky, and you put all the work into this. Maybe I’m naive but I think places like TMZ and RadarOnline would hog all the credit.
I really hope I did not offend you, MsSH. That is the very last thing I’d want to do!
I wrote a comment on Diane Dimond’s story of “The Grifter’s of Beverly Hills” requesting that she do a follow-up on her story and investigate “Taylor’s” background (and I would hope Russell’s untimely death). Since she seems to be already interested in the Real Housewives, maybe she’s got something in the works?
I dont put much faith in Diane Diamonds ability to investigate her way outa a wet paper bag after reading her gross smoochfest of a book on the Salamis. DD put Damna to shame in the butt kissin category.
oops sorry…i wasn’t very clear….I meant to ask who’s kissing tail on her FB and twitter??
I assumed almost everyone was of the same general impression that we are here on stoopidhousewives… … apparently not
Her STANS are kissin gher behind and she is just eating it up
How am I ever gonna shake this image from my brain, Lisa?
:O
They are also thanking her on her tweets for helping them leave abusive relationship! I think that is just pr crap again.
does stans=shanna/taylor+fans
I haven’t gone to Taylor’s FB page (too revolting for me) and I don’t have Twitter. But, from reading b/w the lines on this site, it sounds like Taylor is receiving all kinds of supportive words and accolades from her fans on Twitter and FB. (Her friends could all be repeatedly posting under different pseudonyms, too.)
I’m glad some of the posters here on SH do keep up w/ the copious amount of b.s. that Taylor dumps to stay in the news. Some see what’s happening on her Twitter feed, and also stay on top of her FB page. They also check out what is appearing on the Bravo blogs, and keep us informed about all the edits in the comments sections of the blogs. Apparently, if someone posts something even remotely negative about the Black Widow, that comment disappears forever into cyberspace.
If I’ve added more confusion, Hereswhat, sorry about that!
not at all waves….in fact, thanks, I appreciate the info…i really don’t follow her fb or twitter either, but was super surprised at all the praise they were heaping….
I have a solution for Kyle. QUIT TRYING TO BE YOUR SISTERS KEEPER! IF Kim doesn’t want to be bothered, or avoids Kyle because she doesnt want to hear her NAGGING mouth, then let her handle her own problems. Let Kim fail, let her be responsible for her own actions.
IF Kyle was so upset that Kim didn’t tell her about her arrival, let me see…did we not see Kyle peeping through the door, and listening to the wall? Why didnt Kyle knock on Kim’s door and let her RANT AND RAGE then, why wait until dinner? The cameras were there.
Everyone pussyfoots around Taylor, all her secrets must be kept, but with Kim…her worse enemy is Kyle.
Absolutely correct, Sable.
I agree with the “let kim fail ” part too. The problem comes when Kim meets up with her in a thrift shop and starts blubbering like a baby. What is a sister to do? It would be fabulous if these people could just fail(quietly) on their own and not bother us with bs that their addictions cause. If these people want to “live their own life” then they need to actually do that and not come whining to me when it all blows up…like I said it was going to.
Just take yer lumps and suffer in silence is allz I can say to someone like kimmy cause I dont wanna hear it no mores. oh and p.s. I tooooold ya so! My give a damn is busted
Dear Everyone: I love this site and I loved what many posted about Kyle and Mauricio’s redic behavior. Kyle gets on my nerves and really spoils this show fot me — Mauricio is getting just as bad….wear a shirt already, we all know that most fans think you are hot. I think you are average /above average, but your behavior this season with nicer treatment to a CON than you own sil is making you ugly in my eyes. I think you and Kyle did manipulate the sale of the Palm Springs home in your favor and certainly not Kims, I think Kyle DID say the comment that Camile accused her of last season – in fact, I’m sure of it…..Kyle thinks she is way more important and wonderful than she really is!!! And why did Kyle write a book? She had no sense of style! She has a “woman sitter,” her ugly friend, Faye, decorates her house, she dresses frumpy and all her clothes look the same, she is a typical, BORING biatch. She is BFF with Taylor which says ALOT! Kyle is a 2-faced bitch who constantly throws Lisa under the bus, is extremely uncool to not have confronted Taylor and insist she move out for at least Kennedy’s sake! Kyle is a shady, very jealous woman. Brandi is a million times more FUN, BEAUTIFUL, THIN, SECURE, STRONG, and HONEST! Kyle hangs with her slut no-talent neice, Paris and doesn’t know what meth is — right– and two grown daughters and lives in California — Kyle, you are waay to LAME!! Now Kim had real
talent and has an interesting story to tell — that’s a book I would buy!! Taylor, Kyle, Dana, and Mauricio are fake and deserve each other–they are ruining this show. Kyle and Mauricio, PLEASE lay off Kim of tv and in public-respect her privacy on this serious issue! And for the love of Pete, get your head out of your ass, do some reading, get a clue, AND GET THE F AWAY FROM TAYLOR!!! My god you fo not have to be a genius to see what this horrid woman is all about! Shame on the both of you-a reality show IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!!
I second all your comments! I too, am certain, that Kyle made a comment about Camille….I think Camille mentioned something about paparazzi or fans in Hawaii and that gave Kyle the opportunity to get in her dig about “why anyone would care about her without Kelsey”…. I’m more sure of it now that this season has played out the way it has.
Kyle is uber jealous of anyone with a good body…especially one who is tall, with long legs, skinny waist….everything that she is not….and both Brandi and Camille have rockin bodies. Kyle is…..just….stumpy….and is very aware of it…..and don’t get me started on Mo…what a tool he has turned out to be!
On the topic of the timeline (I had to move discussion for ease of reading), here’s what I know: In order to appeal to any of the third parties that we want it to appeal to, this timeline has to be dumbed down and organized more for the novice/less-informed reader. It has to explain the relevance of each link, and how the link might refute one of SHAFT’s statements or answer a question. That is why I think that asking someone to click on a weblink is unlikely to be effective. I think that some editorial comments–not conspiratorial/alarmist–are necessary in order to “hook” them into reading it. I like this timeline because it comes across as factual, not biased; an invitation to view it would be most effective written that way, as well.
ITA
I think it would be great if the dates of Taylor’s marriage or divorce could be added and that of her Mother’s marriage to her stepfather. Her lies about her first marriage and divorce says a lot. Her mother’s marriage after the her name change not before exposes that the name change were for another reason other than family.
So like use the video of her talking about why she changed her name then put up the information….I like this timeline as well, totally agree with everyone….We call it the KISS method at work….(Keep It Simple Stoopid) How did Don Carlo say about editing?……Traylor can’t argue if you show her saying it with the documents & the timeline.
To all the trolls who question we even care? Pure and simple, we don’t like being lied to!
Lisa VanderPump’s remark:
“If you have something to hide, my recommendation when you’re asked to sign up for a reality show would be to run for the hills. Our business became your business, when we made the decision to enter in to your living room and share our lives with you.”
The reason I like SH is that there are so many others here who don’t like being lied to either and aren’t afraid to do research to find out if it’s true, or not!
Taylor, and perhaps Bravo, are you listening/reading?
Yeah, I like how she says that in relation to Kim’s issues but she doesn’t say one word about Taylor’s hysterics, lies and bullying. Every time she writes about Taylor she only says things like “I can’t imagine any woman lying about such a thing! She needs our support”
Go away Lisa and take your fake butt cheeks with you.
lisa has fake cheeks???
That’s what it looks like to me. I don’t remember her butt looking that ample last year and she hasn’t put on any other weight.
ahaha! you’re right…she’s got a ghetto bootie fo sho
Yall I think I got it figured out.. It was a freak accident caused by SHAFT’s use of the facial flexer. See she was going to town on this thing after taking xtc one night and her old check implant bursteded thru her “naturally thin face” and poked her in the eyeball. And then she did a happy dance because she knew that those BH bleeding heart doedoe birds would believe that Russel did it.
I love Lisa. She is so level headed and witty. Its true, if you have things to hide, DONT SIGN UP FOR A REALITY SHOW.
Mauricio and Kyle whining about Kim “spoiling” his birthday party….for cryin’ out loud….is he 12??! In fact the two of them were the ones that kept bringing up issues that should have been discussed privately…first with Mauricio’s annoying reprimand thinly disguised as a toast and then Kyle harping on Kim at the next dinner….the two of them were the ones who couldn’t give it up….they were going to keep going till they got blood. I have no respect for Mauricio as a man….what a digit! “oh woe, his birthday party was ruined!”….whiney little brat….
couldn’t they have just brought it up when Kyle & “John” realized Kimmers & Golum had the room next door for crissake? I mean,you knew they were there…you were spying on them through the peep hole & listening through the wall…just hit ‘em right before everyone gets together, tell them you are disappointed and they ruined “John’s” 12th birthday party with the pinata’s and get it over with….no embarrassment…oh wait, we are talking about drama queen where every day for her is a new script, forgot for a second!
Well, you would expect an adult to bring it up in private but we are dealing with emotionally stunted individuals…….I have five children and the antics on bevhills is characteristic of middle schoolers….this whole bd party “fiasco”, the malibu beach brawl, the tea party drama, and especially the disinvite at the white party….I can see middle schoolers all running around crazy like that…..gossiping, planning, crying, fighting, name calling etc…. and the the big gang confrontation in the driveway…so 7th grade!…..these men and women have yet to even reach high school mentally….
so very, very immature….I can only imagine how embarassed their children must be of them..